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I don't really care if you choose to chop or not, or decide to do it based on position/cards. I just find it surprising you've played 13 years and never noticed this convention of etiquette.

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Surprising, maybe even absurd...

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01-22-2016 , 04:18 PM

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dinesh

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Originally Posted by andrew12341231

I've been playing live poker since MM boom and this is the first time I'm hearing about chop etiquette.

Then you've been playing under a rock or something. It is well established throughout the poker world that you either always chop or never chop - at least for any given session.

If it hasn't come up yet and someone asks, I wouldn't ever question your response whatever it is, but if you had already chopped once and it came to you and now you wanted to play (or vice versa), that is a clear violation of chopping etiquette in every room I've ever played in. No floor will make you change your action, but other players will think poorly of you and may not give you the benefit of the doubt in the future.

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01-22-2016 , 05:04 PM

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andrew12341231

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Originally Posted by dinesh

It is well established throughout the poker world that you either always chop or never chop - at least for any given session.

I don't agree (even though I've been under a rock :-/). I'll survey my next cash game, you do the same, and we'll report back to each other for a fun experiment.

Just sayin, I don't live on this poker forum and I've never heard anyone complain about chopping till now.

TBH I find it absurd that someone would care if the willingness of someone to chop changes from one hour to the next but that's just me. Call me old fashioned. Maybe I'm crazy.

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01-22-2016 , 06:01 PM

#5504

pockettwoz

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Sorry andrew, but u are perfectly incorrect. Please ask anywhere from 3-20 live poker players. My guess is you wont get one that agrees with u. Just fyi...

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01-22-2016 , 06:03 PM

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Lego05

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Originally Posted by andrew12341231

Actually I think you're probably being the opposite of old fashioned.

I haven't played live all that much and haven't played at all live in I think almost 5 years, but even I also find it pretty unbelievable that you didn't know this after playing so much for so many years.

Where do you play?

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01-22-2016 , 06:03 PM

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Hardball47

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Andrew is definitely in the minority, but that minority does exist.

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01-22-2016 , 06:14 PM

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andrew12341231

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Originally Posted by pockettwoz

Sorry andrew, but u are perfectly incorrect. Please ask anywhere from 3-20 live poker players. My guess is you wont get one that agrees with u. Just fyi...

I texted a poker acquaintance and he agrees with me. I guess we're just outliers. Just because 1) I Haven't heard of the etiquette and 2) I don't agree with it, doesn't mean I'm correct, so, whatever you say. I must be in the minority of rude players.

Hopefully in the future it wont be seen as rude, because I would hate to be rude at the table. Hopefully nobody asks me to chop!

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01-22-2016 , 06:27 PM

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ntnBO

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Originally Posted by MTT_9797

Disagree. Especially when there is session fee and no rake. If I have AA I ain't chopping! If I have A9s on the BB I ain't chopping! Either fold the $2 or play. What the hell does etiquette have anything to do in a game where is sole purpose is to take each other's monies.

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Originally Posted by andrew12341231

I've been playing live poker since MM boom and this is the first time I'm hearing about chop etiquette.

I don't ask for chops in the SB.

When I'm in BB, I've looked at my cards before action is OTB. If offered a chop when I have a good hand, I decline, and if I have rags, I accept.

I don't believe this to be bad etiquette, and would have zero opposition if anyone else were to do that. It isn't an angle, and it isn't unethical in any way.

If you are the type of person who thinks this is "rude".....

This kind of thing is certainly not against the rules, you have the right to do this. But just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean that you should.

For example, it is my right if you are at the table to call you a total idiot clueless brain dead selective chopping living under a rock hoodie wearing poker player wannabe. It is my right to say those things, but it certainly doesn't mean that I should because it against proper etiquette.

The same applies to selective chopping, it's not proper etiquette.

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01-22-2016 , 06:46 PM

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andrew12341231

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Originally Posted by ntnBO

For example, it is my right if you are at the table to call you a total idiot clueless brain dead selective chopping living under a rock hoodie wearing poker player wannabe. It is my right to say those things, but it certainly doesn't mean that I should because it against proper etiquette.

The same applies to selective chopping, it's not proper etiquette.

Ok.

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01-22-2016 , 07:05 PM

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K.Tanner

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Proper live chopping etiquette from what I've seen is to always chop, except when one person has a hand that can qualify for a promotion (like high hand) or both people have hands that could potentially hit a bad beat. If someone doesn't hit quads or better then it checks all the way through the river in seconds, and if someone does hit, then the $20 total or whatever goes into the pot (and the winner usually gives the loser $10 or more cash if it hit a promo).

That may not be the most technically +EV way to play, but it's quick and keeps everyone at the table happy.

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01-22-2016 , 07:22 PM

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pockettwoz

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Andrew,

I don't know what to say right now. "Are you joking?" "Have you not really been in a casino before"
I cant tell if u r messing with people.

What tilts me is when someone says "chop?" To the bb and he says "always, even with aces i chop". This A) shows that this is standard procedure as i hear it at least twice a session And B) is annoying as it is so obvious that it is either chop or dont.

So im shocked uve played poker somewhere and would like to kno where.

Im in Chicago for what its worth

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01-22-2016 , 07:34 PM

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Angrist

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The big exception that I've noted is not for "qualifying hands" but for short games. Some guys won't chop 6 handed, or 5, *most* won't chop 4 handed.

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01-22-2016 , 07:56 PM

#5513

pockettwoz

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This isnt an issue of whether or not people chop, its the "chop once, chop always" thats being discussed.

I dont chop ever btw

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01-22-2016 , 08:02 PM

#5514

Richard Parker

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Two topics that get people rattled up, chopping and seat change.

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01-22-2016 , 09:06 PM

#5515

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Two topics that get people rattled up, chopping and seat change.

Don't forget tipping.

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01-22-2016 , 11:16 PM

#5516

K.Tanner

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Ask the dealer to chop a $2 chip so you can tip the chip runner during your next seat change

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01-23-2016 , 01:05 AM

#5517

TheDefiniteArticle

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I mean, one can even reason deductively that selectively chopping is bad etiquette because you're just freerolling your opponent.

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01-23-2016 , 01:37 AM

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There is 1 reason to selectively chop that no one mentioned... And that's to tilt the hell out of people if you feel that will improve your EV because people will want to "teach you a lesson"

Still, claiming to have played since MM effect and never hearing about selective chopping being bad etiquette is beyond absurd. If you play with anyone over 60 and do it once, you're gonna hear about it. Do it continuously and the table will be grumbling the entire time. He's either trolling or completely unobservant

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01-23-2016 , 01:49 AM

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People thinking that putting people on tilt is actually +EV might be the most absurd thinking.

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01-23-2016 , 02:31 AM

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It's really not something that is quantifiable because of sample size issues, so proving it either way is virtually impossible.

So saying it's absurd is kinda absurd in its own right because you can't prove it either way

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01-23-2016 , 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Angrist

The big exception that I've noted is not for "qualifying hands" but for short games. Some guys won't chop 6 handed, or 5, *most* won't chop 4 handed.

Agree. When i do play live I have generally been in the I will chop camp (live rake is high in that situation, it rarely folds to the small blind anyway, people like it. But there have been times (maybe only one time but I remember it) that the table started getting short (and by starting to get short I mean like 4 people at the table) when I stated that I would no longer be chopping.

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01-23-2016 , 07:30 AM

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Lego05

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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart

People thinking that putting people on tilt is actually +EV might be the most absurd thinking.

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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

Unless I have a different definition of "tilt" than you guys, I don't see how someone "tilting" could be anything other than beneficial. It may be hard to exactly quantify, but by definition it seems to me to be a positive effect.

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01-23-2016 , 07:49 AM

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ITT666

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Sure, but say you have two fish at your table. One you figure out you can get extra tilted by being a dick to him, the other will leave the table if you're being a dick, simply because he only plays for fun and he just doesn't enjoy playing in that atmosphere. Let's say the 2nd is a bigger fish than the first. The first will play poorly even if he isn't extra tilted, even if he will play even worse when he is.

Is it worth losing the 2nd fish from your table, just to have the first fish playing even more poorly than he already was?

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01-23-2016 , 08:30 AM

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Lego05

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Originally Posted by ITT666

Different question.

And it is irrelevant to me. It is irrelevant to me because I would never act like a dick to anyone at the table (one exception ... if such player himself is being a complete dick repeatedly, then I may do something somewhat dickish at some point).

I'm generally a fan of play the game and be polite.