It was more like 5.5:1, cos the graphics show Timoshenko's full stack.

That QQ fold is loltastic. He mad bro

I don't think anyone was out of line criticizing what he did with that QQ hand. In a regular tournament, the moment something like this happens the guy gets reported for collusion. They guys at the table head a right to be pissed at him since he gave away 90% of his stack for absolutely no reason to a very dangerous player.

After the A7 hand I was willing to give him a benefit of a doubt that mistakes happen to everybody, but the QQ was just completely atrocious. I mean, how on earth do you fold there. If the guy shows you AA, you're getting decent odds with 27o.

maybe focus more on the "i'm a novice, and i didn't play the hand correctly" aspects, rather than relegating that to the background of your desperate attempt to justify a botched hand. that admission undermines most of your jumble of words anyway, so give up the defensiveness

and there is absolutely no justification for that QQ hand. you can spew something about the points and blah blah blah but if you were going to fold to the shove you shouldn't have 5bet. there is no soul-read that makes this untrue, no scenario under which you did not horribly misplay the hand. people will like you a lot more if youre just humble, admit that you screwed up, and move on

p.s. mike sexton was way out of line though criticizing the play at the table of someone who just lost a large pot

have you met the internet at all?

most people on the internet aren't confronted with video evidence of them blatantly screwing up, so they can always find some way to argue their side

but if i was caught making a play that bad (and i've made plenty of terrible plays in the comfort of my own home or casino) i would feel like a total fool trying to justify it. i don't know why it's so hard for some people to just laugh at themselves and say wow i sure ****ed up that one

its still only your opinion that he messed up

i thought sexton's comments were more chit-chatty than critical..he did say "in my opinion" right before. but yeah..when a player loses a big pot, especially in a tense situation (as this hand was) you should keep quiet in general - but this is on TV and that's Mike's thing, to comment on hands. so i'm gonna say his comments were in line on TV but prob if it was off camera he shouldn't comment.

thought frankenburger was classy also in the way he responded and i've always enjoyed watching him play. you all might not agree with his reasoning but he is always thinking about his plays and he's not a coward. honestly that's pretty brave of him to fold QQ there. im not saying it was right and i think he rushed his decision a bit when he re-potted (hard to tell if that was edited though). but still he has the guts to go with his read, not just in this hand but in other hands where he is more the aggressor in other tourneys i've seen him play.

technically yeah, it has to be, but when nearly every better poker player than you would agree you misplayed the hand, maybe thats when you just admit they likely know better than you instead of acting like you have some magical insight beyond them. that seems like the sensible course of action to me at least

the thing is its his own opinion that he messed up too. the annoying part to me is that he commits two lines out of like fifty to basically agree that he didn't play the hand right and that he's relatively new to the game, but he hides it in an essay of justification for why he's right. i guess it's his way of hedging or something, but it makes the whole thing a pointless exercise in defensiveness imo

lol @ that QQ hand.

QQ more

You should've bet the minimum on every street, I hear it's what all the pros are doing.

QQ hand is wow. frankenburger = vietcong?

priceless...

nh

i dont know i mean his story checks out, it wasnt a normal structured sitngo

^He snap shoveled it in in all sorts of flips and random hands shortly after, I think it was more like "I know he has AA and I wanna look smart even getting odds" play. Didn't study the structure, but from what they said he was already guaranteed FT and freerolling. So if he was gathering extra chips for FT, this was a must-play hand, probably even with a slight negative edge to get proper CL and abuse people who have to play cautious after/later.

Anyway, in the latest one Schwartz sure owned Sexton hard in the commentary

Wow what are you even doing Andy?

Link??

Where is the QQ hand everyone is talking about?

I don't have the exact time of the incidents, there are at least 2 hands where they "argue" about analysis and thought process in this episode;

Watch in browser:
http://www.partypoker.tv/featured/pr...poker-5-ep-13/

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http://videos.partypoker.com/partypo...ue/s05/e13.flv

It's quite funny and I thought Schwarz was spot on throughout

This is the rather questionable QQ hand:

http://youtu.be/2z8LhPzMsh4?t=4m20s

Edit:

This is the hand with the commentary ownage, Schwartz/Sexton on completely different levels
http://youtu.be/GEmpPs2C4qc?t=39m

Awful.

Just shows how much of a joke tournament poker is. Frankenstein needs to quit poker while ahead.

It's hilarious how a bunch of people who probably couldn't scratch together enough to play the sunday storm,let alone a major live tournament,are critiquing someone with Andy's resume. Then he shows the decency to come in,and explain his play,and gets ridiculed by the same people,sadly typical. By the way,for all of you hero worshipping luke, he challenged tom dwan,and a ton of others,after calling them horrible,when durrr quickly took him up,he disappeared faster than kaiser sose!

A lot of truth to what you say there, but.....

Do you fold QQ in that position?