I was playing in my local cardroom the other day at a 2/5 table. The player on my right is super aggro and fishy. I just double up through him with ace-high. I check-jammed the turn with a club nut flush draw and OESD. He SNAP called me, I bricked the river, showed my hand and he mucked. No idea what he had, but probably K-Qcc or K-Jcc. He doesn't seem visibly tilted but no one is happy about losing a $1000 pot to ace-high when you were the caller.

The very next hand, villain re-bought for $1000 in greens. He posts his small blind with a quarter. I'm the BB and he is SB. After UTG on my left folded preflop, he slid a stack of reds over to villain to give him some change. The table folds to the button, who limps in for $5. I was distracted by a conversation from another player remarking at winning a big pot with ace-high. When I looked up, I saw that the small blind had a $5 out in front of him now as well. I look at my cards as I hadn't done so yet, see 8-3o and check. The dealer pulls the chips into the chips into the middle and raps the table and now villain speaks up and says he hasn't acted yet. He wants to raise and I've already checked my option.

Floor is called over.

I do not know when villain exchanged his $25 chip for a $5 chip. It may have been in turn and it may not have.

It might be angle or may not but since an angle is an action technically within the rules, he can raise. You have not presented any evidence of a check since you don’t know when the red replaced the green. You saw nothing clearly indicating he checked. As long as he protested quickly upon dealer pulling in bets, he protected his action.

IMO if there is any angle here it is you angling him. If he really is super agro as described, you realize limping is out of character so he likely did not check.

Unless dealer has reason to believe he checked, which was not shared here, I am not sure why the floor is called. I don’t see significant action preventing him from raising. Why didn’t dealer back up the action and allow him to raise? Who called for the floor?

I had not considered the possibility that it could be interpreted as me angling him.

The dealer clearly also thought that the SB had checked. He did not correct me for acting out of turn and he gathered the chips together and was about the deal the flop. So I would say that yes, the dealer had reason to believe that he had checked.

Edit: Sorry, how am I angling? If it's a $2/$5 game and two players have $5 out in front of them, and you are the next player to act, do you not assume the action is on you? Or do you expect players to clarify with the dealer every action that's made at the table? "Excuse me, is that a call of $5?" every time?

You have to consider the possibility that the entire reason why the dealer thought that the SB had checked was because you checked. So the above is parallel reasoning: "Sue and I both had reason to believe it rained today because Sue told me that the ground is wet."

I agree that the who and the why of the floor call are important here. As written, SB doesn't seem guilty of anything. His biggest mistake was waiting for the table rap before protesting, but that is in line with someone who didn't realize you had checked out of turn.

You, on the other hand, checked out of turn.

Clearly the dealer thought the SB called too. Officially, the floor should be called over to decide. But with 83o, I wouldn't hold up the game long arguing your point.

Players making change for oversized chips like that happens ALL THE TIME. Same with players not paying attention and acting out of turn especially in limped pots from the BB. The dealer should have been watching more closely but that's why they tapped the table and paused for a second. No angle, no significant action occurred, the only reason you're fixated on it is because of the previous hand.

You don’t know how or when the chip was changed out. Heck the dealer may have even made change (doubtful but possible). You never heard him say check. You never saw him tap the table. You never heard dealer say he checked nor say action is on you. A red chip out there does not mean SB checked. Now you want to hold him to a check which may never have happened to see a “free” flop with your rags knowing SB wanted to raise.

Not saying this is what happened but based on all the data presented it is equally likely to villain running an angle.

It is possibly an angle but likely not.

By changing out the green with a red as the SB it looks like a call. I'm guessing that's why the dealer thought he had called. If villain did the exchange when it wasn't on him to bet then its not a call but there is no reason for him to do that. The $25 green chip represents the same $2 as the $5 red chip. So that is why it could be an angle.

I get why OP wanted Villain to be held to a call (because villain's actions led OP to act out of turn). I personally wouldn't have called for the Floor. If the dealer called for the Floor then whatever happens happens. Otherwise I would just let it go and fold to the raise with 83o. There are times when I haven't checked and somebody checks behind me and I object and every time I am allowed to bet (unless my hand hit the table accidentally) so for the sake of good will I would not object.

I think the probability of that being an angle is extremely small. We don’t even know if he did anything that could be considered a check. For all we know, dealer might have thought he missed SBs check when he saw BB check.

Looks like a (almost) no harm no foul situation. I don’t even think we should need the floor here. SB speaks up, BB says “upsi” and action is back on SB.

You don’t need to clarify every action.

If I haven’t been paying attention and then think might be on me, I ask the dealer.

Unless there’s some history of this I wouldn’t call this an angle, just a mistake.

No reason to tap the glass here. Just be humble and snap him off with the 83o, no issues.

The last thing you want to be is a rules Nit when someone is blasting off.

If the Flop had come out we have a different view on this, but technically significant action had not taken place before he pulled the cord and tried to protect his own action. GL

Most definitely not an angle, action is on the SB. You must have assumed because he put a red chip instead of a green chip that he called. It happens, just move on though it's not a big deal.

I am trying to figure out the angle here. SB got change and put his $5 chip out there. This is utterly common and not indicative of action, and not suspect.. You admit that you weren't paying attention, saw the chip, and assumed it was a call, but you don't say that SB gave any indication that he was calling. Do you think SB purposefully didn't protect his action so that he could get information on you that you were weak so that he could iso raise the button and play him out of position?

This seems a bit of a reach for an angle.

I would so pissed with you if I am at the table and the game has to stop for 1-2 min for the floor to come and make this silly ruling. (That is if you had the floor called, some dealers just call the floor to handle any dispute)


You literally admit that you weren't paying attention and don't know if he did or didn't act. You even admitted that you saw the utg player breaking out 5 reds to make change for him. Its obv from your telling that villain replaced his $25 sb post with a $5 sb post before his turn to act.

If he made this swap during his turn, then you have an argument, but you have no clue what he did during his turn, probably nothing, because you checked out of turn.

Calling the floor for this seems ridiculous, just let him do whatever he wanted to do.

this, don't tap the glass, especially after that horrible beat, from his point of view you're being the angler and to the rest of the table the turd in the punch bowl

you were very likely x/f flop anyway, just dump it, keep the table happy and go on to the next hand