Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Casino & Cardroom Poker Discussions of the activities, rules and etiquette of Live Casino and Cardroom Poker Venues.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-24-2018, 10:17 PM   #1
Dinkleberg
stranger
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 1
Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

Hey guys first time here sorry if the post is in the wrong section, there was a question on a Facebook group recently where it was questioning a ruling. Was wondering on everyone’s point of view about it thank you

On the flop, Player A bets 120. Player B goes all in for 140. Player C declares raise and asks the dealer what the minimum is that he can make it.

A: 240
B: 260
C: 280
Dinkleberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2018, 10:27 PM   #2
tcmNOWAY
adept
 
tcmNOWAY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 952
re: Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

Some places would treat it like Limit and say you can complete the full raise of the $120, AKA raise to $240. Some other places will also say you must double the previous bet, making it $280. However, most casinos will say you must raise by another $120, so the min raise will usually be $260.
tcmNOWAY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2018, 11:17 PM   #3
Garick
Herr Dr Prof Oberstlt
 
Garick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Do you even math, bruh?
Posts: 24,326
re: Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

Yup, it was in a strategy section, but I moved it to a rules section for you. Welcome to the forum.
Garick is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2018, 11:33 PM   #4
dinesh
Pooh-Bah
 
dinesh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,769
re: Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

tcm has it right. In RRoP and in most room's rulesets, in NL you have to raise the current action ($140) by the last legal bet or raise amount (120), so a min raise is to 260.

Ignoring the action-only amount (so raise to 240) or doubling the last bet (to 280) are sometimes the room rules, but usually are just mistakes made by novice dealers or floors who are mis-applying a shortcut they have heard about, or confusing the rule on raises with the rule on multiple all-ins which re-open action.

Limit follows a different set of rules where the next player to raise "completes" the previous all-in if it's less than half the required raise amount, but it seems fairly clear you're asking about NL.

Last edited by dinesh; 11-24-2018 at 11:40 PM.
dinesh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2018, 12:27 AM   #5
Tomark
veteran
 
Tomark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,605
Re: Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

Its 260, but I wouldnt argue if floor said 240. 280 is clearly wrong, even if 2nd player had gone 120 more itd still only require 120 more.
Tomark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2018, 03:17 AM   #6
DisRuptive1
grinder
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 617
Re: Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

I think it would be easier if the minimum was always double the amount of the action you're facing. Too many "Gotcha" moments when someone tries to call and puts out 50% or more of the minimum raise and therefore have to raise, pissing everyone at the table off.
DisRuptive1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2018, 05:55 AM   #7
zwang139
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 70
Re: Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

Venetian floor would rule this as 240
zwang139 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2018, 01:11 PM   #8
Reducto
old hand
 
Reducto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: In the wind
Posts: 1,368
Re: Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

By WSOP rules it would be 260. For some reason many otherwise solid dealers and floors can't seem to get their head around this one and come up with all sorts of weird numbers so I wouldn't be surprised to hear something different.

I've yet to see an actual rule set that would lead to a different answer but it's possible they exist
Reducto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2018, 01:10 PM   #9
answer20
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
answer20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Corner of Walk/Don't Walk
Posts: 8,361
Re: Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

The 'double the bet' thing was prominent in European play and has since gone the way of the dinosaur. I've seen both EPT tournament and some HSP cash (Dwan v Ivey) from yesteryear that played by these rules.

The others have nailed it, especially the differences between Limit and NL. GL
answer20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2018, 06:29 PM   #10
Suit
Pooh-Bah
 
Suit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,751
Re: Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

B. 260
Suit is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:17 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive