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Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount Min raise after all-in for less than full raise amount

11-24-2018 , 10:17 PM
Hey guys first time here sorry if the post is in the wrong section, there was a question on a Facebook group recently where it was questioning a ruling. Was wondering on everyone’s point of view about it thank you

On the flop, Player A bets 120. Player B goes all in for 140. Player C declares raise and asks the dealer what the minimum is that he can make it.

A: 240
B: 260
C: 280
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11-24-2018 , 10:27 PM
Some places would treat it like Limit and say you can complete the full raise of the $120, AKA raise to $240. Some other places will also say you must double the previous bet, making it $280. However, most casinos will say you must raise by another $120, so the min raise will usually be $260.
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11-24-2018 , 11:17 PM
Yup, it was in a strategy section, but I moved it to a rules section for you. Welcome to the forum.
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11-24-2018 , 11:33 PM
tcm has it right. In RRoP and in most room's rulesets, in NL you have to raise the current action ($140) by the last legal bet or raise amount (120), so a min raise is to 260.

Ignoring the action-only amount (so raise to 240) or doubling the last bet (to 280) are sometimes the room rules, but usually are just mistakes made by novice dealers or floors who are mis-applying a shortcut they have heard about, or confusing the rule on raises with the rule on multiple all-ins which re-open action.

Limit follows a different set of rules where the next player to raise "completes" the previous all-in if it's less than half the required raise amount, but it seems fairly clear you're asking about NL.

Last edited by dinesh; 11-24-2018 at 11:40 PM.
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11-25-2018 , 12:27 AM
Its 260, but I wouldnt argue if floor said 240. 280 is clearly wrong, even if 2nd player had gone 120 more itd still only require 120 more.
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11-25-2018 , 03:17 AM
I think it would be easier if the minimum was always double the amount of the action you're facing. Too many "Gotcha" moments when someone tries to call and puts out 50% or more of the minimum raise and therefore have to raise, pissing everyone at the table off.
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11-25-2018 , 05:55 AM
Venetian floor would rule this as 240
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11-25-2018 , 01:11 PM
By WSOP rules it would be 260. For some reason many otherwise solid dealers and floors can't seem to get their head around this one and come up with all sorts of weird numbers so I wouldn't be surprised to hear something different.

I've yet to see an actual rule set that would lead to a different answer but it's possible they exist
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11-26-2018 , 01:10 PM
The 'double the bet' thing was prominent in European play and has since gone the way of the dinosaur. I've seen both EPT tournament and some HSP cash (Dwan v Ivey) from yesteryear that played by these rules.

The others have nailed it, especially the differences between Limit and NL. GL
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11-27-2018 , 06:29 PM
B. 260
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