Bad Beat here has been Aces full of Jack's beaten. In the past it was as long as both cards play...

So...

Board

AAAJJ

AK vs JJ qualifies.

Now they posted that both players must have pocket pairs unless a straight flush. Makes this one a but harder to make no?

Of course it makes it harder. Requiring a pocket pair is fairly standard though. I'd say more rooms require it than don't.

Yeah obviously it makes it harder to hit it. My room doesn't require a pocket pair, but a room nearby does. Their room's BBJ reached as high as 790k at one point, then was hit multiple times in a few months.

I hope the room in the OP went through all the proper channels to make the change. Something like that normally has to go through the gaming authority. Or maybe they waited until it hit and then changed the rules from the ground floor.

I know it is making it harder, but curious as to how much harder it actually is. It basically gets rid of any big aces... AAAK2 is no longer qualifying if the player has AK in their hand and someone else JJ.

They had a small notice posted next to the cage for the last month.

I figure it is also going to change the game more now as A9 isn't going to call "just in case of jackpot" anymore...

You must be talking about Pechanga, OP. I think it will benefit the no-limit games, more of a chance of seeing a jackpot now to the river.

The new rule requires any hand that is not a straight flush to be a pocket pair? So an AAAxx board and JJ vs. QQ will still qualify? But AAQJx board and AJ vs AQ does not qualify? Or is it just quads that requires the pocket pair?

To each room it's own ... But I've typically seen where AAAJJ had to be beaten by Quads or better BUT only 'any' Quads hand needed a pocket pair. So AJ is eligible for the beat as long as the other guy has a pp. GL

Yes Pechanga. I haven't played since they changed it, but I would imagine that some people may tighten up a little now pre.


The new rule you must have a pocket pair. Aces full of Jacks beaten by quads or better. So AAAxx board with JJ vs QQ will not qualify. So it would need to be at least AJJXX w/ AA vs JJ or AQQXX vs/ AA QQ etc... or even AJJTQ w/ straight flush.


Not here! Must be pocket pair in BOTH hands to qualify unless part of a straight flush.

Players chasing BBJ and HH are good for the game (and rake). You may see some AJ/AQo hands now folding instead of flatting a 3-bet. But in response they may call with bad implied odds to set/quad mine going forward.

A good reg should be able to recognize this and take advantage of whatever the flow turns out to be.

We had a very tight room near here lose a bunch of business due to another room opening. They added a weekly HH pyramid and the room (with the same Players) turned on it's ear to chase those promos. GL

Having a full house qualifier and a pocket pair requirement is someone that is clueless as to what they are doing. As posted, lots of rooms require a pocket pair for quads. I've literally never heard of or seen a room that has a FH eligible but requires a pocket pair for the full house.

My thoughts exactly but didn't know how to say it as well as you.


Aces full of Jacks is hard enough. It gets much harder now that they require a PP.

I don't object to them making it more difficult to hit, but it shouldn't be more confusing for players to make them in some cases not even know if it hit or not.

Really? How about quad 5’s or better beat and quads must be pp. or how about Detroit. Iirc quads over quads only. Straight flushes never qualify. That is why it reached a million.

With most (all?) the other big Southern California casinos only requiring both cards play rather than pocket pair for quads, it will probably just cause confusion and some very upset players if there's an AAA23 board with AK vs QQ that would qualify elsewhere. Pechanga's jackpots have always been on the small end though, so it seems they are trying to get up to their competitors levels without reducing their other promos.

As others have pointed out, would make a lot more sense to be just quads over quads as quads over AAAJJ+ FH is going to be extremely rare, but it seems they don't want to advertise that the jackpot is effectively quads over quads now with most of their competition being quads over AAATT/JJ. Would chalk it up to poor poker management.

Each room has its own rules. I've seen rooms with jackpots where it must be quads beaten. Not in California though, the BBJ is such a part of the games here.



Exactly, every other room the rule is just Aces full of something beaten and both cards must play... not both hands must be a pocket pair.

I haven't been there since they changed it I just saw the notice the last time I was there.

It's an interesting debate over what a room should use as it's qualification. Do you want it to hit more often and take care of the Regs or less often and try to keep a high volume of 'lotto' Players rolling in?

The QvQ in Detroit is an interesting test case. (They did have a 10% mini if a SF was involved) When a rival room actually got their act together they were very quick to reduce the requirement and start up a bunch of HH promos to try and keep Players in the room. They have just recently reverted back to the QvQ rules.

Personally I think a room should do whatever it takes to have it hit every two months or less. The QvQ not hitting for basically a year in Detroit was a puzzler for the volume of hands played. Whereas Milwaukee started with Q 8s needing to 'just' be beaten and the requirement going down every $25K the BBJ increased ... another fine method IMO. GL