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I don't think I insulted you and certainly didn't intend to but I think it is an angle and I hate angles so very very much. I said the word, "if", regarding "pos".

I'm sure some people think showing one card is fine. Tony G would say, "IT'S POKAAA". I wouldn't do business with him.

Yeah it's cool, I just wasn't sure given the theme of the post. So I'm still not clear if it's actually an angle or just bad etiquette, if a lot of people think it's fine. But if it really bothers you it probably bothers a lot of people, so I should just always show both or muck, as it doesn't seem worth the tiny bit of EV gained from information hiding, if it's going to make the table dislike me.

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06-13-2017 , 12:41 PM

#1002

Snipers35

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 266

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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud

It's a pet peeve of mine because where I play it is both cards must be shown to claim a pot.

It usually goes like this:

Me: Calls a river bet.
Them: Jack (flips Jack over and holds on to other card face down)
Me: Does nothing
Tables waits for 3-4 seconds
Dealer: You must show both cards to claim the pot.
Them: Flips over the other card.
Me: Either flips up a better hand, or mucks a losing hand.

I've paid for both cards with my call. Also, it follows the rule and protects integrity of the game.

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06-13-2017 , 12:55 PM

#1003

Didace

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 19,877

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Originally Posted by Snipers35

I've paid for both cards with my call.

No you didn't.

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06-13-2017 , 01:00 PM

#1004

Snipers35

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 266

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Originally Posted by Didace

No you didn't.

You are technically correct, because they can always just muck their cards. In that case, I'll gladly flip both cards over and take the pot.

If I'm called and I have to show first I will gladly and quickly just turn both cards over. If I'm caught bluffing I can just use that as advertisement and adjust accordingly.

It gets annoying to me when the same person does it multiple times in a session and being told multiple times they have to show both to claim the pot.

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06-13-2017 , 03:25 PM

#1005

psujohn

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You're doing just about everything wrong.

If someone (particularly a rec player) says Jack - specially on a AKJ64 board when you have AK - just turn over your hand and move on.

If someone is caught bluffing and mucks just wait until the dealer pushes you the pot. No reason to show your hand.

If I see you force a rec player to show both and then turn over a winning hand I'm going to look for every opportunity to slowroll you in the worst way possible.

Don't tap the glass.

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06-13-2017 , 03:51 PM

#1006

ILostMyAccount

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 110

From my latest Vegas trip...

Tip police - typically older regs who tip on every single pot even when chopping the blinds, often a large amount like 5 bucks or more while emphatically saying "THANK YOU DEALER" and often barking "don't forget about the dealer!" every time a big pot goes down.

Guys especially in tournaments who always throw out an oversized chip even when they can easily make exact change. You're spending your day sitting at a table - you don't need to get even lazier. You're slowing down the game while the clock is ticking...especially at the rio where many dealers are inexperienced to begin with.

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06-13-2017 , 03:58 PM

#1007

psujohn

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5 seat is UTG - cap/sunglass/hoodie completely covering his cards with his hands. Seat 6 limps, seat 7 folds, seat 8 folds dealer is waving frantically trying to get everyone to stop. Seat 5 sits silently slowly shaking his head. Dealer gets everyone to stop and backs up action to seat 5.

Seat 5 consider for a few more seconds and proudly proclaims "I just need you to give me one card dealer. Not 2. Just one card" and folds.

Thanks sir for wasting everyone's time so you can declare how card dead you are.

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06-13-2017 , 07:40 PM

#1008

Snipers35

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Originally Posted by psujohn

I consider myself more of a rec myself. I see it more out of people that "seem" like regs.

But I will try to see if I can get better at it. Just irks me when it happens. Especially if I have a Jack as well.

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06-13-2017 , 08:31 PM

#1009

psujohn

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If the other guy declares a Jack and you have a Jack too there's always the friendly "What's your kicker?" or if you want to stick the needle a bit you turn over your Jack and wait for their next one. Perhaps along with a "this way we both get plenty of TV time" if it's that kind of table.

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06-14-2017 , 04:48 AM

#1010

Poker Clif

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,806

Where I play the dealer always says something like "turn 'em up" and we are both expected to show our cards.

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06-14-2017 , 06:55 AM

#1011

Woej10

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Originally Posted by psujohn

Gotta say I'm with this. I can't stand all the buggering about when it comes to showing hands at the end.

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06-14-2017 , 10:37 AM

#1012

Noles1724

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Originally Posted by Poker Clif

Where I play the dealer always says something like "turn 'em up" and we are both expected to show our cards.

well that would be an incorrect expectation then.

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06-14-2017 , 12:09 PM

#1013

Crazy Joe Davola

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When people brag about not playing hold 'em. See Jimmy Fricke's latest tweet.

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06-14-2017 , 01:33 PM

#1014

Dominic

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There's a dealer at the Wynn that says "first one who shows wins" when there's a "who shows first" dance. That usually gets them both to turn over their cards pretty quickly, funnily enough.

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06-14-2017 , 01:57 PM

#1015

Angrist

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,887

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Originally Posted by Crazy Joe Davola

When people brag about not playing hold 'em. See Jimmy Fricke's latest tweet.

Ugh. I've got one of these in my local games. Insists on playing PLO, and switching any RxR game to straight PLO. If neither is running when he gets to a room he makes a big stink about it and tries to recruit NLHE players to start a game. Absolutely *refuses* to play "two card" because it's "just bingo".

But then he'll insist that the PLO game have a $5 bring in to "get more money in the pot" while everyone is sitting with a $1/2 NLHE stack of around $200.

Yea, the PLO zealot is on my list of peeves now.

At least he's mindbogglingly awful at both games.

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06-14-2017 , 04:45 PM

#1016

Avaritia

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Originally Posted by psujohn

Haha I like the way this was described

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06-14-2017 , 06:30 PM

#1017

Motierre

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Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 29

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Originally Posted by Poker Clif

Where I play the dealer always says something like "turn 'em up" and we are both expected to show our cards.

This is a pet peeve of mine; the dealer should point at which player is first to show and state "show or muck" to prevent the stupid James Bond showdowns that often happen.

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06-14-2017 , 08:11 PM

#1018

zica

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Originally Posted by Motierre

This is a pet peeve of mine; the dealer should point at which player is first to show and state "show or muck" to prevent the stupid James Bond showdowns that often happen.

I totally agree with this "view" but there is another thread that deals with showdown practices extensively and claims that, historically, there is no hard and fast order of action at showdown or that all hands including the loser who called must/can be turned up and that it's not about preventing collusion either.

Sorry I'm not good at searching for old threads.

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06-14-2017 , 10:40 PM

#1019

Motierre

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Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 29

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Originally Posted by zica

I mean I have only ever heard of 2 rules. If the action goes check/check on the river just ask the dealer for that room's rules, it's not exactly a gray area. It's either going to be last aggressor (from previous streets if need be) or first player after the button.

As for losing hands being shown at showdown, again, this varies based on cardrooms. Ask staff or look up the rules. Every cardroom I play in has their showdown rules clearly stated.

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06-15-2017 , 07:38 AM

#1020

dinesh

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What he is saying is that, in the long distant past, when poker was first transitioning from backroom game for cheaters to a public game, it used to be that everyone had to show their hand at showdown. Showdown order didn't matter, because everyone had to show anyway. Of course, this was also a time when cards didn't speak and you could try to lie about your holdings to take it down from distracted opponents.

None of which matters now, because as you say just about every room now has a showdown order and allows you to muck instead.

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06-15-2017 , 08:39 AM

#1021

snowman

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Originally Posted by ILostMyAccount

Guys especially in tournaments who always throw out an oversized chip even when they can easily make exact change. You're spending your day sitting at a table - you don't need to get even lazier. You're slowing down the game while the clock is ticking...especially at the rio where many dealers are inexperienced to begin with.

Mines the other way
the guy who could call with one chip but instead takes 5 minutes to count out all his smallest chips, then loses count and starts over.

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06-15-2017 , 11:51 AM

#1022

psujohn

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Yeah the guy at a 1/3 table with 15 red and 12 green who calls the $75 turn bet with red and then next hand posts his BB with a green chip.

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06-16-2017 , 01:26 AM

#1023

Degenx2

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Originally Posted by psujohn

Yeah the guy at a 1/3 table with 15 red and 12 green who calls the $75 turn bet with red and then next hand posts his BB with a green chip.

Yep. This seems to be the signature move at my local casino. I see it from multiple players literally every session.

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06-16-2017 , 04:29 PM

#1024

Crazy Joe Davola

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When someone calls it a strudle instead of a straddle

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06-17-2017 , 07:56 PM

#1025

SpewingIsMyMove

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In tournament play, when someone creates unneassary confusion by

1) 'helping' the dealer by making change for another player when there is plent of chips in the pot to make change, and by doing it after the dealer has already seen the oversized chip but has then looked away to follow the action
2) 'helping' the dealer by putting an odd number of calling chips to make making change easier (for example, bet is 325, player mumbles call, and then puts out a t500 chip and a t25 chip)

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