Something doesn't sense here. Either you are taking longer than you think (no one reacts after only three seconds) or this kid is the worst player in history (if you can't hold a bluff for three seconds, you should never ever play poker).

Often times, people take a lot longer than think. They also underestimate how even what seems like a small delay can really affect the game. I played to the left of an older player (probably in his 80's), who would only look at his cards when it was on him, then would line his cards back up perfectly, look around, ask what the action was to him, and then act. He wasn't hollywooding, he was just inflexible in his routine, and had poor eyesight. Dragged the game down and was very frustrating. I timed his routine in my head, and it was about six seconds, but it had a huge effect on the flow of the game.

There's a lot of little things that can be said to encourage these players and let them know they have a friend at the table, e.g.:

"Nicely played. They didn't see that one coming," or, "He can't hear you, he's busy stacking your chips," etc.

When someone says "good call," while holding the best hand.

Yes, that's another annoying one, similar to saying "nice hand" when that guy has the better cards...wtf. Luckily hasn't happened to me but witnessing it is annoying enough.

My estimate is accurate. The table was mad at me already because I was running good and had stacked most of the table at least once. This is the only time I've had somebody call me out during a hand like that about my playing speed. Though one guy got tilted once when I flipped over 99 for a rivered straight...thought I was slowrolling him, but someone else at the table said I wasn't and had been acting slow all night.

My routine pre-flop is watching the other players, adding up the bets and estimating effective stacks, checking my cards when it's my turn to act, and then quickly folding or betting. If I fold it takes about 1-2 seconds. If I bet it takes 2-3 seconds typically, but occasionally 4-5 if there's a stack that's particularly hard to estimate or the chips are sticking together.

Play speed is relative. If the rest of the table is taking 1 second then 2-3 seconds can seem like an eternity, I suppose. There's one spot where I act more quickly than most fish, which is when facing a large river bet. I've seen lots of guys hemming and hawing for a good 1-2 minutes, where I take 5-10 seconds if the decision isn't obvious.

Today someone said 'I missed' but was referring to his str8 draw and ignoring that he'd rivered top pair for the win. The other player took it well, better than I would've, tbh.

You can keep track of the bets and how many chips the other players have, while still being ready to act immediately when the action is on you. You can also do little things like verbalizing your bet while you count out chips so others can act.

I don't expect other players to do this, but if you really want to be courteous to the other players and dealers while increasing the number of hands you see, it's certainly possible and won't adversely affect your play.

Good idea with verbalizing the bet before counting it out. Don't know why I didn't think of it. Eh, I'd have gotten there eventually. I am working on speeding my game up but acting pretty slow so far. Part of why I bet slow is because I'm right-handed but play left-handed. I fidget a ton and was making lots of accidental checks and other dumb mistakes when using my right hand or both hands so I've been keeping my right hand off the table completely, except when I check my cards. And it's stopped my procedural mistakes but at the cost of slowing down my actions a bit. I figure I will get more proficient with my left-hand as time goes on.

Slows the game down for the players too. Especially when players like that use a hell of a lot of chips [To intimidate their opponent] and then splash the chips all over the table, making it take a long time to get an exact count of the bet/raise.

People who only show one card at showdown. Like they have a pair of jacks so they only flip over the one jack.

I personally never reveal my cards/muck until they show both.

Agree this is annoying but sometimes a good idea to hide as much information as possible.

If I'm a regular playing with other regulars I might do this every showdown, but otherwise the value you gain from the information hidden is probably less than value lost to slowing the game down, so in general I just flip both cards over.

If you have to show both cards to win a pot in a showdown this is extremely annoying and pointless and slows the game down.

Sometimes it might be a good idea to cheat/angle.

It would be nice if dealers would protect players from this angle by telling the inposition guy that it's not his action yet then, speed up the oop idiot with a complaining/frustrated sounding instruction to stop slowing the game and open both. Maybe then, after a while, it wouldn't happen so much.

I know there is a huge discussion about order of action at showdown, and that historically, there isn't one(seemingly), but there absolutely should be, imo.

While I agree with the sentiment behind your post, unfortunately dealers can't be telling particular players to table their hands or table more than one card because that could be interpreted as violating one player to a hand.

In practice, there's lots of ways we as players can make this sort of thing move along more smoothly. I fastroll against a player who hasn't angled me or otherwise done something that is poor etiquette. If it's someone who has angled or otherwise has poor etiquette, I'll just say, "I called you" or "show or muck." In instances where the person shows one card, I'll say something like, "Is that a fold?" They get the idea pretty quickly that they need to show the other or muck.

In a room where a player reveals only one card at showdown but clearly doesn't know that the rule in that particular room is that you must show two to claim a pot even if your opponent mucks, I have seen dealers tell players that they must show both or muck, giving them their range of options without endorsing one or the other.

They could do that if the house rule was "all hands must be tabled at showdown". That apparantly was the original rule based on research that a 2+2'er did several years ago. And of course most online sites make it very easy to see the other showdown hands. While I know there would be some drawbacks as well, I think it wouldn't be terrible if cardrooms used that rule now.

What room has that rule?

I didn't know showing one card was considered either a cheat or an angle. Why would it be? I've seen lots of people who do this. They just show the card that made the pair or whatever and the other guy often mucks. If they need to they flip over the other card.

I get this is annoying but how's it cheating or angling?

No casinos that I know of use the rule now, I mean historically "showdown" meant everyone shows their cards. I did play at an underground room in DC once that did use the rule.

It's an angle because if you are first to act at showdown you are supposed to show both or muck. Showing just one card may allow you to keep the other card hidden(when you have an obligation to show it) by inducing your opponent to turn-up his better hand out of turn. Same with announcing your hand in general terms like, "ace high", or "top pair". These announcements don't bother me most of the time but showing just one card does. Why? Maybe because it's a potential slowroll in which case you might get your opponent to show his hand when he doesn't have to(angle), eg. open just one card for top pair, opponent opens bottom two pair, first player opens second card for top two pair. Also, I think showing one slows the game down while announcing your hand at least in general terms doesn't, usually.

If you're going to just show one to keep info hidden, why don't you just sit there and indicate to your inexperienced opponent that he is supposed to open first. If this is okay to you you are a pos, imo.

I disagree. I think what I suggested is just the dealer enforcing order of action at showdown which I believe in. Showing one card is not a legal action in that it becomes the next players turn to act, so it is still the first players action. I think it's the same as enforcing order of action during betting rounds.

I guess that's kind of an angle...but your opponent can just ask you to show, so not much of one. I thought you meant the goal was trying to get the opponent to muck the winning hand or something. I've seen people show one card a lot, though, and the dealers never said anything.

I've only done the show-one-card thing a couple times by the way (once that I remember). I had A3 and double-barrel bluffed a K-high board, then spiked an Ace on the river and didn't want to show the 3, to give the impression I had AK.

No need to be insulting...I would never tell my opponent to show first and thought showing one card was okay, but I won't do it again now I know it's considered bad etiquette and possibly an angle.

That's not a good analogy. To see why it's not, imagine what the penalty would/should be for showing your hand out of turn at showdown compared to acting out of turn during betting rounds.

I don't think I insulted you and certainly didn't intend to but I think it is an angle and I hate angles so very very much. I said the word, "if", regarding "pos".

I'm sure some people think showing one card is fine. Tony G would say, "IT'S POKAAA". I wouldn't do business with him.

I don't see why penalties are relevant to this discussion.