This discussion reminds me that I hate it when players knowingly try to circumvent rules such as the max buy-in, then get mad at the dealer for enforcing the rule strictly. Some players think that the dealer should just deal the cards and otherwise just let the players do what they want. Most poker rooms are run that way and I am sympathetic to dealers who feel caught between risking getting written up if they don't enforce rules properly and seeing their tips go down because players with a sense of entitlement withhold tips as punishment for dealers doing their job.

I wonder if the actual rule is that you can't pass chips but they'll tolerate it for small amounts.

I play in a room where you can't pass chips but everyone colludes for the high hand - like pre flop it's "Let see the flop and I'll give you back your $2" or if they hit a high hand but need more money in the pot you'll get "I bet $3 with a rebate to you if you call please call I need a call". It's all technically against the rules but the room doesn't enforce it though I think if you tried to pass your buddy $300 they'd speak up.

Also play many places that will let you pay for massages out of your stack. Just the other day I took of $50 at a 1/3 table which is pretty significant.

What the actual ****? Is there anybody in the world that actually thinks that is ok?

Wonder what they do when someone goes all in for $200 on the flop and I have a flush draw asking my neighbor to call with his straight draw and chop the pot if we hit. I bet that all of the sudden they don't think colluding is ok.

No, it means if both players are at the table and Joe owes Jimmy ten bucks for a bet he lost a few days ago, no one gives a **** if Joe takes 10 off his stack and Jimmy puts it in his.


The day you realize that not everything has to be so black and white is the day you get better sleep at night, dude.

To be fair it's not the same thing. If they're colluding it's to hit the promo and the promo only. It's a dumb bet esp if money gets dropped on any flop but, hey, if they want to throw money away on that they're likely throwing it away on other game related things.

If fish want to pass 10 bucks around at the table, I say let's not tap the glass.

$200 is a whole different story.

It's kind of like saying"I reraise" when you're simply raising, or "I raise" when you're actually betting. People know what you mean, but you're doing it wrong, and it's a bit annoying.

No way. There are plenty of us here, no need to guess - just ask!

The second they are multiway it can be tricky. What if a limped pot becomes $300 and I lose against a hand that would never have been in there?

If it is HU then fine.

Matching the big stack

Err, I meant that I didn't mind $10 moving from one fish's stack to another in between hands. Nothing to do with multiway limped pots, unless I'm the one misunderstanding.

no good dealer would allow this to happen

Shortstackers. If I had the choice of instantly wiping either ISIS or shortstackers off the face of the earth, I'd need a quarter to flip.

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If it's the norm in the room, yes, yes they will.

At Talking Stick the dealers never say anything. The room gets $2 for the flop and the BBJ has never been hit as far as anyone I know recalls so it's a win for them.

Speaking of which, how about the BBJ never hitting as a pet peeve? That really grinds my gears.

• It is the norm in the room
• Dealers work on tips
• A lot of the players are hyper focused on the promos
• Dealers work on tips

I don't love it. But it's gotten so bad that the floor can be standing right next to the table when the shenanigans go on and won't say anything.

Three of a kind is a set of trips. Four of a kind is a set of quads.

I first saw 'sets' and 'trips' distinguished on the old RGP during the 90s. It facilitated making hand histories clearer, and it worked well.

When the HE side games were good during the WSOP a few years ago, I'd make a point of miscalling hands -- if the board had JJ and I had a J in my hand, I announce, "Set of jacks." If someone corrected me, I would assume that they had studied the game some, but didn't have a lot of live experience. I felt that it was a fairly reliable tell.

If you really want to go old school with a set of trip jacks, say "Jacks a bunch."

"Trips" is the old poker term for three of a kind, and goes back at least 50 years or much more. "Set" (as distinguished from trips), as far as I know came into poker later as a term from Holdem, which was a very minor poker variant, and not widely played in most of the country, until the 1990's. Prior to that, in much of the country, Holdem wasn't played at all, and many players had never heard the term "Set". Most poker played was various forms of stud (or draw!), without community cards, so the concept of a set as different from trips was meaningless.

Shortstackers are usually bad players. I like playing against bad players.

I have heard old players refer to three of a kind as a set when I have played stud. I wouldn't be shocked if referring to any trips as a set is a term borrowed from gin rummy.

I've never heard "set of trips" or "set of quads", and I've been in cardrooms since the late 70s. And "Jacks a bunch" - what the heck is that?


Exactly. Set is a holdem specific term with a clear meaning. Trips would be a general term, stud or draw, etc.
Stud was my main game for decades, and I've never heard this anywhere.

Ive worked in places where if the dealer allowed that, that would be a write up and the player would be given a strict warning... or if they have a history a 24 hour time out.

And in those places, yes, a good dealer would enforce the rules that are regularly enforced. The point is that in places that don't strictly enforce this sort of thing, it's unfair to say that any dealer that allows it can't possibly be a good dealer.

It's really bad in this room. To the point where dealers seem to be expected to facilitate the promos.

Last night I saw a hand folded to the SB who asked about a chop BB said - No let's play it. SB is confused. BB says I have a high hand potential. SB calls and dealer says "If she bets $5 you should probably call"

Worst - heads up, there's a possible high hand on board but < $10 in the pot. Check, bet small, dealer looks at the bettor and says "Do you need a call". he nods. OOP goes to muck - dealer blocks the cards and says "Wait, he needs a call". OOP is confused. Dealer asks bettor "Will you give it back", bettor nods.

Makes me want to avoid the room and now that I have choices I largely do.