It is amazing how much is said and how little is known about cryptocurrencies.

Of course, the last time this conversation came up at a table, it morphed it a conversation on monetary policy and how the fed is actually and evil puppet organization controlled by foreign powers.

Wait, it's not?

Well, yes, but we don’t talk about it

Won’t this just cause even more talk? Or maybe all the poker players will be broke and stop coming, lol.

The seat jumping is the worst. I hope in the future something is done about that.

Honestly I hope it goes to zero. So sick of hearing the same conversation every day.

Obsession with keeping the tables balanced. If someone tries to table change to a full table and leaves his original table 7-handed or less, someone always calls the floor to try to force the guy to wait until he can move without imbalancing the tables. Just STFU and let him move. People have left because of this multiple times. It’s as if they’d rather play poker than musical chairs.

If you let him move, the short table sometimes breaks because people don't want to play six-handed. Someone shouldn't have to call the floor to force him to wait because this guy should never be allowed to move. Do you play in some anarchic poker room where people can just move to an open seat at another table without going through the floor? That sounds like a horribly run poker room.

This must be a level. You seriously don't know why a short table can't be made even shorter? You must've been the one trying to move.

No, the poker room doesn't let people move on a whim. These are people who have asked for a table change and are given permission by a brush to move, and for whatever reason, maybe because Bravo wasn't updated or because someone else leaves the table at the same time before the brush knows, they end up leaving the table short and now the players complain. Note that even a 7-handed table is short enough for people to complain about.

Another peeve of mine is people bitching about playing short-handed and wanting to break the table when there are more players coming or there aren't enough seats. What is so bad about playing short? People that will stop the game because they don't want to play 6-handed should be kicked out. Come to play poker or don't.

These tables are hardly short. Most of time a brush has mistakenly allowed someone to move from an 8-handed table to another table with an open seat. 95% of the time a player will be able to fill the table within a few minutes anyway.

People are LEAVING the poker room because some nit can't handle playing 6-7 handed for five minutes.

The rooms where I play have a "show one, show all" policy and it is enforced. I assume that telling would be the same as showing, plus it's an OPTAH issue,

People love to play with the new and shiny toy, and that's what Bitcoin is. Maybe it will become common soon, but I doubt it. When someone it telling me that I better get on the Bitcoin train, I ask him if he would open a business and only take Bitcoin in payment.

Of course, now we know that we know that the government has been monitoring UFOs for years. The Ferengi will soon be running our monetary policy, and the Rules of Aquisition will be our Constitution.

It isn't just bitcoin. Poker players and gamblers love to think they have an edge by jumping on any money making black box that they don't understand. I have sat and listened to guys saying how they are going to get sustained 15% returns on options. When I ask them how they do that, they show me the website where they click buttons. Wasn't really what I meant.

Granted, I love these guys, as they are usually pretty exploitable.

If it is a situation where the brush wouldn't have allowed a table change if he had more accurate information about the table conditions, I think it is reasonable for players to complain.

I've played three-handed 3/6 LHE before, so pretty much no one is more willing to play short-handed than me. If you don't understand why people don't want to play short, then maybe you lack the ability to understand some of their other decisions at the table and get annoyed when they play hands in a way you don't understand.

I had to stop here and chuckle. Seems like wild speculation for what purpose?

I am somewhat frustrated because I don’t understand why people would rather not play at all than play short. I am more frustrated when they break tables without enough seats avaliable or the entire table refuses to play. It wastes the time of people that want to play poker like me.

BTW, if you know why people don’t like playing short, I’d apreciate it if you’d share. The only real explanation I’ve heard is that players think the blinds come around too often, but that answer is pretty unsatisfactory.

Do you think people that leave because they don’t like being recalled their table after being given permission to move is reasonable or an overreaction? I doubt you’d disagree that this is a bad thing. I blame the complainers for being petty and if I were running the room I’d let the player stay at his new table and tell the complainers that they’ll get the next player coming in. Players that move without permission would be recalled.

For most players who don't like to play short it's because they are tight / nitty in a way that allows them to break even or win slightly at a full table but they don't know how to adjust to a shorter game so they lose in one. Plus they probably dislike playing in the blinds (who does like that really) which happens more often in a short game. Neither of these reasons should be tough to understand even if they don't apply to you.

Having to tell people to keep their big chips in front

Playing short the blinds do come around faster. Also relative hand strengths change. Yo need to learn how to play oop more. Basically the game changes majorly. If you don’t realize this I have to question if you can possibly understand the correct changes YOU should be making

The others players know the game changes. They know the way to play changes. They may not know how or want to make those changes. But they do realize the necessity. Ultimately they realize the play is going to cost them more and they choose not to pay more.

It's tough to understand if nobody's ever explained their reasons before...

A lot of these players are fish who play way too many hands and would probably benefit from cutting out early position where they bleed a lot of money. I understand why a nit wouldn't want to play short. These are the player types I really don't understand.

How come you guys can't have a conversation without making speculations about me which are completely irrelevant? Sheesh.

Ignoring the card removal effects of folded hands, the 6-max game tree is really just a sub-set of the 9-max game tree. In some sense, the game does not really "change." Parts of the game are cut out. People who think they need to adjust their strategy are incorrect or using a very weak positionally unaware strategy in the first place.

I doubt most of the players actually do understand what happens when play becomes shorter. The difference is that early positions are eliminated. Considering the recreational component of poker, who likes playing in EP? I don't because I know I am folding the vast majority of the time before I look at my cards. That's not fun. Who likes facing action from EP? I don't for the same reason. It makes little sense for players who like to gamble and play a lot of hands to dislike short-handed play.

Your original complaint is stupid and the speculation is that you have other views which are also stupid. Totally relevant.

No, it’s a derail and now you’re trolling me. Your comments have no purpose other than to put me down or try to get a rise out of me.

Feel free to act however you want, but I hope you don’t care whether or not other people have respect for you or will value your input.

Pot calling the kettle black.

"A lot of these players are fish ..........."

"I doubt most of the players actually do understand what happens when play becomes shorter."

And comments about understanding the difference between 6 and 9 handed tables are the heart of the matter, not "completely irrelevant"

Listen, this is very basic. When people don't want to play a game, it is because it is no longer fun or because they think they will lose too much playing it. (Maybe if they are tired.) That you don't understand this suggests you lack the ability to empathize with your opponents. That you talk about position with respect to short-handed games when most players seem to lack positional awareness just makes you look as stupid as some guy who keeps hitting on a girl, oblivious to the fact that she's clearly not into him.

A lot of loose-passive players would rather have a table where they can limp in and be against 6-7 opponents. Poker is a slot machine and they get to play 6-7 lines for one coin. Make it a short-handed table and they get 3-4 opponents/lines. It's no longer interesting for them. It's no longer fun. It looks like their odds of stacking an opponent if they hit a hand go down. They will hate short-handed even more if players become more likely to raise pre-flop in short-handed games.

I completely agree with you. That's why the sites are always trotting out new tournament gimmicks. When there is something new, even full-time players will jump in first and figure it out later I've seen the threads where players were putting in volume while trying to figure out the new formats.

Since I started playing, most of the following were either new or didn't exist: turbos and hyper-turbos, multi-table SNGs, 50/50s, double or nothing tournaments, jackpots, bounties, rebuys, add-ons, re-entries, even coin flip "tournaments" (while we try to convince people that poker is a game of skill) and of course there always has to be something new in mixed game formats.

And HU is just another sub-set, too?
Lots of low-level players do use "a very weak positionally unaware [or nearly so] strategy". They get very uncomfortable playing short.
"Cutting out parts of the game" shouldn't affect the hand strategy of a given individual hand situation, but does affect the distribution of hand situations as experienced.
The players who go crazy over having seats open, or who refuse to start a game unless it's full or nearly so, dimly understand that the "subsets" at shorter tables do require (and reward) adjustment (within good positional poker), but they're either ignorant of what the adjustments are, or are uncomfortable making them, or they realize that playing shorter will tend to expose the leaks in their game faster.
(And they just hate putting up the blinds more often.)