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05-16-2017 , 12:18 PM

#126

Aurora Tom

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Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,167

Quote:

Originally Posted by pig4bill

6 max would generate more rake. Casinos would love 6 max, but players won't play it.

Depends on the reduced rake structure. If you reduce rake at 6 that probably isn't true.

05-16-2017 , 12:21 PM

#127

Suit

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 4,744

If the casino was going to run 6 max games, they would not give a reduced rake for that game I can assure you.

05-16-2017 , 12:29 PM

#128

Aurora Tom

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Very true. At my place they wouldn't play 6-max without a reduced rake so it wouldn't happen.

If a game goes down to 6 and the dealer over-rakes you should see the players gripe.

05-16-2017 , 03:27 PM

#129

pig4bill

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If a game goes down to 6 it's not a 6 max. It's a 9 or 10 max.

05-16-2017 , 06:11 PM

#130

zoogenhiem

old hand

Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 1,632

I mainly play a time rake game so my comment was saying I'd gladly pay the difference in rake to play 6max.

05-17-2017 , 12:48 PM

#131

Aurora Tom

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pig4bill

If a game goes down to 6 it's not a 6 max. It's a 9 or 10 max.

But of course. Wasn't my point but nevermind.

05-17-2017 , 01:04 PM

#132

psandman

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The problem tends to be that even if you have live players who want to play 6 handed. Someone gets up and walks, or someone leaves and their isn't a list to fill the seat no you are five handed .... and if someone else walks or busts out you are 4 handed and it is even harder to get live players to play that short. The online players are used to seats being filled immediately and its just so much harder to do that in a live game

05-25-2017 , 11:17 AM

#133

Pyrochaos

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 778

How long before we start seeing these fidget spinners at the poker tables?

Would you have a problem if your neighbor(s) is spinning his while at the table?

05-25-2017 , 11:23 AM

#134

madlex

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http://www.gq.com/story/fidget-spinners-explained

I feel like poker players shuffle chips instead?

05-25-2017 , 11:27 AM

#135

Pyrochaos

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Quote:

Originally Posted by madlex

http://www.gq.com/story/fidget-spinners-explained

I feel like poker players shuffle chips instead?

I can see people who are new to the game (younger), or don't know how to do any chip tricks could bring them in.

They could double as a card protector too.

05-25-2017 , 12:19 PM

#136

Suit

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 4,744

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyrochaos

They could double as a card protector too.

This is what I've been waiting to see.

My kid has an ass load of these things. He's making a killing at school buying them for $3 on eBay and selling them to his classmates for $8. He sold the first couple for $3 and told me about it when he asked to get more. I explained mark up to him and I may have created a monster.

05-25-2017 , 01:23 PM

#137

AzOther1

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Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,089

Quote:

Originally Posted by madlex

http://www.gq.com/story/fidget-spinners-explained

I feel like poker players shuffle chips instead?

Saw one at the table for the nightly tournament at Talking Stick maybe 2 months ago. Didn't know what it was at the time, but have since seen stories like above in local media, usually highlighting the ADD/ADHD therapeutic "value". Gentleman was mid- to late-twenties, couldn't put it down. Luckily (!!) I was out early (as usual) so it never got too annoying.

05-25-2017 , 02:22 PM

#138

SpewingIsMyMove

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Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 3,529

I am good with anything that a player does physically without conscious or deliberate thought. All the more opportunities for tells

05-28-2017 , 07:00 PM

#139

Pyrochaos

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Well, I must have been psychic.

05-28-2017 , 08:35 PM

#140

IntoTheVoid

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 33

At Bay 101 in San Jose, it's $5 rake for 8-9 handed. $3 for 6-7 handed and only $1 for 5 or less players.

05-29-2017 , 02:24 PM

#141

Aurora Tom

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Suit

Not the best of images...

But good job teaching some American capitalism!

08-26-2017 , 09:54 AM

#142

Rapini

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,096

Just wanted to x-post the following because I found it to be an interesting glimpse into poker history.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dex 1

I used to live in Tucson & played poker there all the time between about 1993 to about 2002. Actually, I was playing the 1st day they opened the 1st casino, it wasn't the DD, but I think it was called Casino of the Sun.

At one of the Indian Casinos (they all were).....because of some type of law the house wasn't allowed to back any blackjack. But for some reason I'm not sure of....they were allowed to spread it and deal it if one of the people that was a reg. there or somebody that heard about it......would be the person putting up the money to run the games themself.

So you had people tripping over each other to be the house against the players in BJ. The person would have to be checked out to see if they were clean and had enough money to handle it if the house got killed once in a while. I'm not sure of what the limits were, but I know they were at least $100 a hand.

They may have changed depending on who was backing the games that day.
Usually the person backing the game would be sitting there watching it to see how they were doing.

One more thing....I was surprised how much abuse some of these dealers took from some real s-bags. One night a guy that had that M.O. walked up to an empty BJ table and bet $100 on each spot - I forget how many Blackjack players sit at one table, around 7 I think?

Anyway, this guy hits a few hands and busts out. And he stood on the rest of the hands with like 18 to 20. And if I remember, this young girl that was dealing had a face card showing and when she turned up the other card it was a 6.....and as luck would have it, she pulls out the next card and its a 5.

Well this guy started cursing all sorts of foul stuff about her & I think she was just very young and hadn't run into these types before and she started crying and left the room while he's behind her telling her it was her fault that he lost $700 in a few minutes in between the nasty stuff he was saying.

I don't want to finish that right now with some more info....but that was mainly the deal.

I remember that there were bad beat jackpots there and for a while they were rigged. It was done on graveyard shift. Shift manager in on it. Dealer too of course. A prop player was always involved. And they always had a blocker for the camera for the BBJ table where the Jackpot got hit.

Eventually too many people knew or were suspicious and there was some kind of investigation. Shift manager gone....don't remember how it all played out.

But when the Desert Diamond opened....thats where the traffic went because it was much cleaner & more professionally run. It was on Valencia Road on the South Side. I'm talking like 1993 or 4 to 2001 or 2.

When it was on Valencia there was plenty of action although it was all limit. Spread Hold-em Omaha/8 and seven stud mostly. If u played a lot u got to know most of the people. Most afternoons they had $3-$6 and $6-$12 going and at night usually a $10-$20.

Busy weekends....usually a $15-$30 & rarely a $20-$40. There were some real characters around then. If somebody posted a player in those times here....90% chance I'd know them.

But they ruined it.....they moved it from Valencia Road and put it several miles further away down the highway in the middle of nowhere & most of the action dried up. That was a bummer.

You could always drive up around the Phoeniz area and they had bigger games there too.....but if I remember....and I should....it was about a 90 mile drive & not many folks from Tucson would make the 3 hour round-trip drive too often. I moved to GA in November of 2003 & haven't played in a brick and mortar since....& I miss them. Online poker for Americans sucks now although it was really good until 2006....all downhill from there IMHO.

Wow does time go by fast. And you know that where there is a lot of money around, you got some bad apples. They used to have promos like giving away a brand new nice car of some kind & how it workyed was that every time you got a really strong hand in hold-em....you got to fill out a slip.....and they would put all the slips in a wire tubular thing (theres a name for these, but can't pull it up right now) & all these slips would end up in there. On prize day, somebody would spin the thing around and pull out a slip with the winners name on it.

And one of the times.....I guy I knew pretty well said a few minutes b4 the draw.....the cars mine....you watch and see. And he didn't play nearly as much as a lot of the regs. Anyway - he did win the car. I'm guessing the guy that drew the slip had palmed one with this guys name on it and they had some kind of deal worked out.

And I saw it done again......twice altogether. A guy that almost never played. He was too busy snorting coke & chasing women. He probably had one or two slips in there as opposed to some of the regs that may have had 200. And he came that day for the drawing. What a coincidence. And yep - he won - it was 2 cars this time I think but I don't remember for sure.

But over-all, when the Diamond was on Valencia, it was good times playing cards. And they always had at least 1 or 2 games running all night.

I could tell some interesting stories from those days....but I doubt too many people on this forum were regs there during those years and I'm tired of typing.

I'll mention 1 other thing now. When they spread Omaha/8 some of the Indian dealers didn't have a clue. Especially when maybe 2 players split low and 1 for high & there were sidepots for a player that was all-in & they couldn't figure out who had the best low hand....the players basically ran those games by telling the dealer what to do.

Although sometimes with a whole lot of stuff going on in a hand - you had to cut them some slack because it wasn't an easy thing to do early in a dealers career.

Oh, I got a better story thats funny & interesting and anybody around those days would remember this.....but I'll post it some time in the near future...too tired now.

09-19-2017 , 08:39 PM

#143

Rapini

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,096

What would everyone think of the following redesign?

> Live Poker [This would be simply the title of the section like Two Plus Two, Fantasy Sports, General Poker, etc., and not a forum.]
Rules & Etiquette
Venues
Communities [This forum would combine threads from Regional Communities and MTTc and also allow for trip reports, low-content threads, etc.]
Home Poker

09-19-2017 , 08:59 PM

#144

Bobo Fett

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 56,895

Answer over here, though, please:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...dered-1683346/

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 09-19-2017 at 09:02 PM. Reason: Moved one post to that thread; understandable that it would've been posted here, but it's good to keep convo in one place.

11-23-2017 , 05:26 PM

#145

Rapini

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,096

Happy Thanksgiving! I hope to either say "**** you. You heard me." or choke each and every one of you at a table sometime soon.

11-30-2017 , 10:32 PM

#146

browni3141

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 5,678

I was playing a H.O.R.S.E tournament the other day and a player kept putting out and/or announcing the amount of 2 bets instead of 1 hoping to trick someone into raising.

Many of you have probably seen this limit angle before, but as a NLHE player I haven't and found it amusing (although scummy).

11-30-2017 , 10:57 PM

#147

Rapini

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Haha wow WTF. I've never heard that one before. Hopefully the floor was able to give him a warning fairly quickly.

11-30-2017 , 10:59 PM

#148

dinesh

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 4,406

I don't understand it. What does "the amount of 2 bets" mean in a NL game?

(In a limit game it would just get corrected down to the right amount anyway.)

12-01-2017 , 12:14 AM

#149

browni3141

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinesh

I don't understand it. What does "the amount of 2 bets" mean in a NL game?

(In a limit game it would just get corrected down to the right amount anyway.)

It's standard that all the games in HORSE have a limit betting structure AFAIK.

As an example, if the limits are 1000-2000 and we are on a small bet street with no action yet, the player will put out T2000 and/or announce "2000." If the next player puts out T2000 without verbalizing a call, the angle has worked as he put out 2 bets when the action facing him was 1 bet, so he has raised.

The floor wasn't called, but it only worked the first time and the people on his left caught on. I called him out on it in a friendly way to help prevent people from falling for it.

12-01-2017 , 05:12 AM

#150

chillrob

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I still don't get it. It sounds like the first guy raised himself, not that anyone else was tricked into raising.

Oh, now I do get it. He tried to bet too much - the dealer should have corrected that right away, but even if he didn't, the guy who put in the same amount as the bettor should not have been held to a raise, that should just be a call. I have seen this legitimately happen in limit cash games before, and the guy who meant to call has not been held to a raise.

Last edited by chillrob; 12-01-2017 at 05:17 AM.

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