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01-10-2019 , 04:50 PM
This happened yesterday:

River (71) A32KQ
utg leads 40, we jam 160-170, utg calls.

the interesting part of the hand is that utg was a woman from israel and a friend of her was also at the table. When i shoved otr she grabbed 2 100€ chips and when she wanted to call her friend said something to her nobody but her friend could understand and she moved her hand back but then called anyways. It was pretty obvious that her friend tried to convince her not to call.
The dealers had to call multiple times the floorman because they talked all the time during hands which is pretty fckd up.
Would be interesting what would have happened if she didnt call my allin. Is there a ruling for this?

Today im sitting with them again at the same table and they just dont stop talking in their language during hands even tho floorman was called multiple times by other players. The problem i have is that they are huge punters and i dont want them to leave.
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01-10-2019 , 04:54 PM
There is no ruling that affects the hand in progress, particularly if no one understands what they said. Even if someone does understand, if it's just a OPTAH violation, they will just get a warning. I can only see it mattering if the friend says "I walked around behind player 2 and he had the As" or some such relevant piece of cheating info.

Having said that, if they continue to flaunt the English only rule, they should be asked to leave.
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01-10-2019 , 05:24 PM
The floor should be harsher each time he/she is called. The second to last time the floor is called should result in a straightforward warning that the next time will be the last time.
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01-10-2019 , 07:03 PM
You’re problem is with management. Effectively, they are allowed to sit next to each other and communicate in their language. An unenforced rule is not really a rule.
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01-10-2019 , 08:14 PM
The stated rule may be English only at the table. If the dealer/floor/room manager choose NOT to enforce it selectively or generally then THAT is really the rule. Your choices are to make a big fuss and maybe get thrown out for your trouble. Live with it, and play on pissed off and maybe or maybe not be off your game , or rack up and leave!
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01-11-2019 , 02:07 PM
Suggest to the Floor that they can't sit close to each other? Obviously this is an issue for an ongoing game if seats open up one at time.

There are many a thing we put a blind eye to in an effort to keep a whale/fish happy. Just buckle up and deal with it or ask for a table change. GL
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01-11-2019 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bene Gesserit
The stated rule may be English only at the table.
More likely "German only".

Looking at OP's other posts, he seems to be talking about a casino in Vienna.

Which might make the issue a bit sensitive.
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01-12-2019 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
More likely "German only".

Looking at OP's other posts, he seems to be talking about a casino in Vienna.

Which might make the issue a bit sensitive.
Ya you are allowed to speak english and german
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01-12-2019 , 07:56 AM
Anyways i kept quiet. Thought it is definitely more +EV to let them speak and punt it off while being happy instead of asking the floorman to enforce the rule.
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01-12-2019 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
More likely "German only".
English is OK in all major European casinos I’ve played in. Even in France where the “me no speak no anglais” by dealers/floors only starts when a floor is called over to rule against a foreigner.
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01-12-2019 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
Anyways i kept quiet. Thought it is definitely more +EV to let them speak and punt it off while being happy instead of asking the floorman to enforce the rule.
Yeah, I reached this conclusion long ago, also this is a common scenario in casinos outside English-speaking countries and regions. And almost always it is by peeps who do not have much of an idea what they are doing so it is best to just let it go. Those that are at least semicompetent tend to follow these rules much more, presumably because they do not want to risk getting ejected
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01-12-2019 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
More likely "German only".

Looking at OP's other posts, he seems to be talking about a casino in Vienna.

Which might make the issue a bit sensitive.
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01-12-2019 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FWWM
Yeah, I reached this conclusion long ago, also this is a common scenario in casinos outside English-speaking countries and regions. And almost always it is by peeps who do not have much of an idea what they are doing so it is best to just let it go. Those that are at least semicompetent tend to follow these rules much more, presumably because they do not want to risk getting ejected
I am 100% on board for regular conversation, but in this case the foreign phrase was clearly related to the hand being played.

Making it about EV is going to lead to sticky situations. If the pot were smaller or the bet were bigger, would you still let it slide?
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