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Originally Posted by deuce24off
To all the "know-it-all's" who think just because he threw his hand forward it is a fold, you are wrong. In every single casino I've ever played in, along with the one I work in, a player's card are not dead until they hit the muck. It doesn't matter if the cards are pushed forward. If the player retrieves their cards before they hit the muck, everywhere I've ever played the hand is still live.
If they verbally say fold, then yes it's a fold. Unless they verbally say fold, or the cards hit the muck, they are still live and can be played.
To pile on, this makes no sense, and either your casino has horrendous rules, or you are confusing showdown with someone throwing their hand forward during the hand.
Lots of times, a player will throw their hand forward preflop, and another player will throw their cards onto those cards to make it easier for the dealer to pull them in. Should that player get a penalty for killing the first player's hand?
When the first player throws their cards forward preflop without announcing fold, when is their hand dead? There isn't a muck yet, so it can't be when their hand touches the muck.
If a player throws their cards forward preflop, and the next player acts before the dealer puts them in the muck, should they be warned for acting out of turn? After all, the previous player hasn't folded yet, according to you.