I play in a room that normally runs 5-10 1/3 tables and normally only one 2/5 table. In the 2/5 table, it is comprised of the absolute worst players to play against.

First off, all of the regulars are somewhat competent to extremely competent. They are players who would be making 5+ bb/hr in any other room. Except, they are making far less in this room for the reasons I will bring up below.

1. They don't know how to talk about anything except for strategy at the table. During hands, they always talk about their river shoving ranges and berating other regulars on how they're unbalanced. In addition, they constantly talk about VPIP and ranges and **** that would make any rec player not playing for profit take off in an instant.

2. They don't straddle or do bomb pots or flips. In one of the few times that the game has gotten somewhat decent (2-3 rec players NOT playing for profit), I managed to get a straddle going that a couple of the players agreed to. As soon as it hits some of the regulars, the straddle stops. In addition, bomb pots NEVER have everyone in it because there are 4-5 regulars who refuse to do bomb pots.

3. When a rec player manages to sit down at the game (always an out of towner, the rec players in town stay 10 miles away from this game), there are about 3 instant seat changes to be on the left of him. Come the **** on. Any moron with half a brain knows what you're doing.

As a result, the game is typically 7 regs trading money back and forth while the casino takes a chunk out as rake. Remember, these regs would be winning players as soon as they figured out how to cater to the fish. Bad rec players are nonexistent.

I've only played in this game 2-3 times. This game might be the absolute nut worst game.

Let them play in their reg-fest. Why worry about them or that game? Stay in the 1-3 games and make more money than they will at 2-5. Try your straddling and bomb-potting, and the 1-3 may end up playing bigger than the 2-5.

Is it like this during the weekends and late nights as well? You basically just described the casino I play at (though not as much strat talk) in southern Oklahoma during the weekday, but it is much different on the weekends and later at night.

Where is this room located? Are there other options?

sounds like a terrible miserable game
don't play it.
play either 1/3 or 5/10
if they want to get raked to death in a horrid game bc of ego let them.
the real problem is the way they're treating randoms.

Title change? ... in the USA for 2/5?

Yep, just 'slum' it up at the 1/3 game. We have the same 'problem' at the two places I play. The 2/5 is just a nit fest most of the time, but it can get better depending on how the list falls since we have a deeper player pool.

Chin up ... "you get what you get and don't throw a fit" (via the Mother-In-Law) .. GL

To be honest, I find this attitude (particularly as perpetrated on sites like 2p2) to be the root cause of the problem.

Everyone likes to think it's somebody else's problem. Everyone always argues, "I can't control what other people talk about," but when someone makes fun of a bad call they made, they can't help defending the decision, or worse yet, point out how their opponent's mistakes are worse. Everyone argues, "I can't force people to play differently," but then when people want to have a round of straddles it's them who objects. Everyone wants to be at the fun happy go lucky chatty table ... with their headphones on.

Poker culture is simply a collection of all the tiny decisions we all make. People always expect that some gregarious idiot is going to miraculously get summoned to the table and magically make things better, but in reality if everyone made better small decisions maybe their arrival wouldn't be so miraculous.

Any recreational player, even a casual one who plays once a year, KNOWS there is strategy involved in the game, and that there are also professionals out there. I can assure you, just because they hear someone talking about strategy, it will definitely not "make any rec player not playing for profit take off in an instant".

Why do you think you're so entitled to be in great games all the time? Don't you realize some games are not as good as others? Just because no one is straddling doesn't make it a terrible game. You should know how to beat the "regs" anyway, they're the absolute easiest people to play against since you should know their game by now (not to mention most of them are pretty bad).

So you've only played in this game a couple of times, and that's enough to declare it the worst room in the USA? Really? You really do have a lot to learn.

no such thing as fish anymore

???? That sounds like the worst game but not the worst room. I mean all the players you don’t want to play with are playing in one game so just avoid them. Imagine if there was no 2-5 game and they were mixed in the 1-3 pool and that was the only game. There are rooms like that.

You don't play in a game like that. No one will make any $. I play lower stakes games all the time if the 5/10 or 2/5 is a nit fest or similar to that.

If the 1/3 game is also **** I will play omaha. I'm lucky that I have a fish fest casino near me, but when I travel to places like vegas I game select hard.

I also berate the regs that do that when no fish are around. Maybe they will learn, maybe they won't. Most of the regs @ 2/5 and 5/10 in my casino are really cool and won't pull **** like that and we are friendly to each other and especially the fish. Sometimes the 1/3 regs will pull this garbage but it's usually a sign of a poor player.

Actually, that sounds almost like the perfect poker room. All the people that you don’t want to play with are confined to one game and you can select from multiple other games.

Now you might say “but I want to play 2/5” but the truth is that game wouldn’t run without those guys anyway. So it’s either a really bad 2/5 game or no 2/5 game at all, which shouldn’t make a huge difference to you.

Does it drop $7/hand with no promos or $6+2 with crappy promos and/or drop $1 more than its close competitor(s). Is the poker room located in the basement of a barely used side-wing of the casino nowhere near the main gaming floor or in a separate side building entirely? Does it run raketrap 1/1 $60 games that take fish out of the 1/3 $300 games? Do the floors make inconsistent, bad, or reg-friendly rulings? Is it filled with smoke from the adjacent smoky casino?

Those are all things that I've seen personally that would make it a bad room. What you have is just a bad game, but at least (as others have pointed out), one that nicely sucks up many of the worst-to-play-with regs from the 1/3 games.

I'm not sure what 'attitude' you're getting at ... There are 'game selection' posts all over this site. And although I didn't exactly use that term I'm expecting most of the Players who come to this site to be able to figure that out on their own.

Most of the fish/whale guys want to sit down and have fun while they play. The last thing they want to do is sit down with 4-5 silent robo sniper 'card' Players that are 300bb deep or more.

Plenty of posts saying that 10NL is no where near what it once was for profitability online ... so newbies and lessor skilled players are 'forced' to start and remain at 2NL.

I actually agree with most of the post ... I just don't completely grasp how it ties into the quote. I can certainly be a kettle/pot player at times. There are certain players that surprise me when they ignore the obvious betting lines they are facing and show up with the bottom 20% of their range. I actually applaud them for playing poker, not cards, when I see it.

My viewpoint of 'card' v 'poker' playing may be all wrong. Maybe these guys that sit around waiting for AA are actually playing poker and this site has me all wound up in 'other' directions. GL

Your thread title is wrong. It should be "I think I play in the worst game in my room..."
Also, 2-3 times isn't much of a sample.
Anyway, suggest you:
1) Learn to beat reg's, or
2) Play another game (5/10)(or 1/2...oh, the humiliation...).

PS: Typical tight, unimaginative reg's are NOT the "absolute worst players to play against". Wait until you get into a game with a bunch of really good LAG's and TAG's who actually know how to play, and you're the fish. You are demanding a game with several loose-aggressive or loose passive fish. Good luck finding that most of the time these days.

The table I play at is always the worst one in the U.S.....................but its always someone elses fault.

Learn how to drive the action. Learn how to play a contra-style to what ever the style is that the table is playing. Push the limit of all the SPR situations that you face, forcing the so-called experts in your midst to actually make slightly horrible calls. Then point that out to them. Then say, OK, sorry, my bad, but I just hate it when you point out lesser players mistakes.

Play poker.

why would anyone want to change to have position on the new player? makes absolutely no sense. the only type of players u want position on are the best players at the table so u know what theyre planning before u act.

no bomb pots is GOOD for attracting new players, who wont understand whats going on and feel uncomfortable thinking the regulars are colluding by doing it. they want something theyre familiar with from online or tv

More money acting after the WORST players.

If you raise before a tight player, and they call, you know you need to be worried.

You can control them to some degree, by your actions in front of them.

WTF is a bomb pot? Ive played almost 5000 hours in the last 3 years and have no idea what a bomb pot is. There is probably a straddle about 2-3% of the time in my games. Trust me, you don't play in the worst room in the USA. Stop complaining and learn how to beat whatever game you play in

A bomb pot is when all the Players are 'forced' (agree) to see the Flop for $X chips. The hand then picks up at the SB as normal. Sometimes they will run it all the way out .. you can see these on Live at the Bike streams, usually when the Dealer pushes out.

They've kind of lots popularity over the last 6 months. GL

I kinda had an idea what it was. My point was that OP is crying about nobody wanting to gamble it up in his room with bomb pots and straddles and how he has it so bad. The word bomb pot has never even been uttered at any tabled Ive been at. There are plenty of places with less gamble than OPs room.

It's more common in meetup games or live steamed games. You will hardly every see one in a random live game.

I was in one bomb pot live game in my lifetime where everyone limped pre for $25. The dealer was confused, wanted to call the floor, and it took more time trying to explain to the other players what was going on. Everyone basically limps pre before getting dealt any cards and action starts on the flop.

Merry Christmas LCP and Happy Festivus for the rest'oyuz!!