This has been happening a lot lately to me. I think I'm being conversational; villain always thinks I'm breaking an etiquette rule or something...

Here's the action. 5-10NL. 2200 effective

Villian MP raises to 40
CO Hero (me) calls 40
Button re-raises to 200
We both call.

Flop comes Q93

Check to Button
Button bets 300
MP calls
Hero shoves all-in for 2500
Button folds.

MP is obv perplexed and doesn't know what to do. Asks me if I have him covered...I say yes...then he squirms and then he calls. I have him covered.

Here's where the problem starts.....

After he calls, I say, "ugh, I didn't want a call and just wanted to take it down there. We agree to run it twice. Neither runout has a 4th diamond or pairs the board.

Hero tables 33
Villian tables KK

At this point he BLOWS up at me and starts yelling about how he can't believe that I did that and that what I did was inappropriate. I'm like, I don't know wtf you're talking about.....He's yelling up an down the room.

He had a problem with the fact that I said that I didn't want a call. He said that my comment made him believe that he had the best hand. I didn't slow roll showing my hand. I showed it immediately after the second runout. I told him that since it was a 3bet pot and since he was thinking for so long, he could easily have a better set there, and that I was just releasing some emotion since it was a 4k+pot.

IMO he should rather be mad at himself for not 4-betting KK pre

Anyway, you guys tell me what you think.

Sounds like sour grapes by the villain.

Sounds like your table talk got you PAID! LOL

You play in a great 5/10 btw!

LOL, some guy at a neighboring table yelled over and told me the same thing


Horseshoe Hammond, right outside Chicago.

It's an INCREDIBLE game

Sounds fine to me.

I can see where talk like this can feel slow rollish but I don't think you did anything wrong. It's not like you said "Good call" in this spot because you figured you were beat if they made that call or whatever. I see that a lot and it's always pretty cringe worthy.

The only table talk, before the other player called, was:

I doubt that this table talk got him paid.

Villain is just whining because he lost, but next time table your hand before making comments like this if you want to avoid ruffling any feathers. You were the last aggressor so you're obligated to show first anyway.

More of a nit roll imo, why wouldn't you want a call after villain squirms and goes into the tank? It's now obvious he doesn't have a higher set or a flush, so you should absolutely be wanting a call. Regardless though, just sour grapes by an angry villain. Doubt he says anything if he scoops/chops.

I don’t think anything should be said prior to agreeing to run it twice or not. Not that this seemed to influence his decision on that.

After the decision if you made the comment, meh. But you might have waited until after the hand to say what you said.

I've not had this level of reaction but I've pissed people off because I've been reluctant to call or unhappy when villain calls, and make some throwaway remark to that effect, and in fact my hand was a million miles ahead because I overestimated the strength of their range. So I try not to say anything now.

Villain is being a huge baby about this but you can probably avoid this problem by remembering a non-trivial percentage of your opponents are angry, oversensitive individuals.

If this was an isolated incident, then sure, you didn't do anything wrong. However, your title has the word "again" in it. That suggests that this type of behavior is regular for you. I suspect you aren't telling the whole story.

While the villain shouldn't allow you to get under his skin, you did imply you had a weak hand with your statement. His hesitation should have told you that he didn't have a big hand either. The old saying, "don't tap the glass" still applies in live games. Not that it is wrong to say something, but every time you manage to get people angry at you, you turn the table from a loose, fun loving group of people into a sullen mob, or worse. That's bad for your profits.

If you were being insincere about not wanting a call, then you were kind of being a dick. If you were sincere, that suggests a fear of draws that is exploitable.

I could watch your .gif forever!

That sure makes me think my kings are good.
And then you wait for both boards to run out before showing your set? Slowroll.

Without the speech that implies you missed or are drawing, waiting is fine.

Agree. =)

Hmmm, I was thinking the same thing about BiiiiigChips gif

In general when somebody calls me after I go all in in a cash game I turn my hand over. So, after the agreement to run it twice and before the turn and river cards get turned over I would have turned over my hand. I think this might have avoided some of the hard feelings even after you said what you said because it shows that you were genuinely afraid of losing a ton of money and weren't pretending to have a draw.

Once you say what you say, then to me this is a variation of a slow roll. So you get what you get.

Personally I no longer react to slowrolls of any variety but I understand why people do. They are poor losers and/or don't know how to deal with the pain. Or they feel taunted and prefer to look at that rather than the losing of the hand.

After playing in a 20/40 LHE game with poker veterans for years, I learned to just not say anything when I win. Either before or after I turn over my cards. Not that I always do that... But when I do talk I try to take it like a man. My philosophy is if you dish it out then you have to take it - even if the dishing is inadvertent.

I'll admit that there's some emotion running through me when there's a race for a decent amount of chips, so I sometimes make comments for my own sake to release the tension. I was genuine, though, about not wanting a call and would have been happy to take down the pot without the potential swing. Villain is tight old man type and I'm crazy range Asian, so whatever.

But what's the problem in showing after the second board is shown? It's the same thing as showing after the first board is dealt when running once.

I just don't see how my comment in between the call and the runout was egregious. I REALLY didn't want a call. I agree that I probably shouldn't say anything, so maybe I'll work on that.

Still, he should have 4-bet KK pre.

So you think your kings are good.
But then you wait for both boards to run out before showing your kings?
Isn't this what you called a slowroll when OP did it?

Okay, another question.

What is the appropriate level of berating that someone should get if they did execute a slowroll? Some guys in the room get indignant as if you've shanked their honor and want to throw a nuclear bomb over it. For the sake of composure in the poker room, I usually let people play whatever role they want in the room, but some people cross the line, where if you went off on someone in a similar manner in public, you'd get smashed in the face. Some guys think that they are big deals in the poker room, but don't realize that they are relative nobodies outside of it.

It doesn't sound like you crossed any lines but it does highlight how any kind of "Speech Play" is almost guaranteed to upset people.

Everyone should experience an orbit or two in the Horseshoe Hammond 5/10 game!! Just to sit in the 'back' room and take a few hands at the feeder table is an experience.

All you needed to do was add ... "I might be ahead." ... to your comments and you 'could've' been in the clear in this spot.

There are Players who will find anything they can to vent a loss. You also were the Player to shove, thus required to show first ... but V must've decided to show during the run out. That's on him, not you.

I also am a Player who waits for the run out before showing, even on one Board. Some casinos are requiring that hands be tabled for RIT spots now, which is fine with me. (I just don't like letting the Dealer know how they can screw me over by showing!! ) What seats? Maybe you thought his Kings were Queens and hesitated?

People who berate typically want acknowledgment or 'approval' of their opinion from other Players. It wont matter how much you apologize or try to influence the rant, it will need to come from Players/Floor/Dealer and then they might still not be done! Which is fine as long as they reload and are more concerned about the event than player the ongoing hand. GL

As with almost every poker question, the correct answer is "It depends".

King of the douchebags.... that slowrolls every time..... gets plenty of attention from me.

lol, sounds like you've played there also.

For the record, I showed first after the runout. And yes, villain asked around the table for acknowledgement, and I similarly did for clarity, but no one wanted to tell me what I did wrong. I'm very regular in the game also.

Yes, he reloaded, had me give him change for 2 pumpkins, and I won an extra $500 from him 3 hands later.

Many poker players whine like babies over nothing. Villain is one of them.

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