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Old 02-20-2019, 07:52 AM   #51
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Re: I got caught bluffing, but they reward me the pot.

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I don't care if you're three buyins down or not, you're a scumbag if you do stuff like this. Might as well say "I was three buyins in so I followed him to his car and robbed him there."
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:17 AM   #52
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Re: I got caught bluffing, but they reward me the pot.

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I don't care if you're three buyins down or not, you're a scumbag if you do stuff like this. Might as well say "I was three buyins in so I followed him to his car and robbed him there."
Completely agree! I know that now. I was in my young 20's, which is no excuse, but didn't have the life experience(s) I have now. I am an advocate of etiquette at the table now, and I encourage others to be the same, creating a better environment for all.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:21 AM   #53
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Re: I got caught bluffing, but they reward me the pot.

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I don't care if you're three buyins down or not, you're a scumbag if you do stuff like this. Might as well say "I was three buyins in so I followed him to his car and robbed him there."
Please read the recent posts, and the reason why this thread was bumped.
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:31 AM   #54
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Wow, I might be the outlier here, but I have a slightly different take.

I've been in situations where I had no effing idea what villain said. There have been times when it sure looked like villain was being vague on purpose as an angle shoot to get me to expose my hand. There have been times when I thought I definitely heard one thing, but others at the table have heard another. And there have times when I (and the entire table) have all clearly/definitely/undeniably heard and seen one thing and the dealer just effed it up.

In the very latter case, I immediately try to rectify the situation. Otherwise, and/or if there is even 1% doubt in my mind as to what happened, as a general rule, I just STFU and let the dealer take care of it. If I'm in the hand, my number one rule is PROTECT MY HAND.


In this case, regardless of what you think you heard or not - let me play devil's advocate. Villain says 'callfd', but he 'wasn't clear at all'. I mean, honestly, what the hell is 'callfd'? It could be heard as anything. The dealer didn't take it as a call. Someone else at the table said they heard 'fold' even though you were pretty sure he said 'call'. Villain doesn't put any chips in the middle, and instead just throws his cards forward? Don't know where you play, but that action would be taken pretty clearly as a FOLD at the card rooms I play at.

Look at it this way - if you snap-called and rolled over the nuts, think how easy it would be for Villain to say, "'I never called! I said FOLD! I didn't put any chips in the middle! I said 'Fold!".

How easy do you think it would be for the Floor to enforce a CALL in that situation? I think it would be incredibly tough. In that case, YOU would be in the wrong for not clarifying his action (call or fold) before showing your cards. You'd still get the pot, but you'd be out of luck trying to enforce a call. Same action, but different outcome - and for that reason I have no problem with the ruling as played.

Protect your hand at all times. Villain should have protected his cards until the pot was pushed. I *always* declare my action, make the action, and I don't let go of my cards until I have the pot in my grubby little hands.

If Villain didn't have the nuts, it's impossible to know with 100% certainty if he was clearly trying to call or if he was just angle shooting (no matter how remote, we can't rule out that possibility). So tbh I don't even mind not chopping. If I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that he had called and the dealer had just effed up, I mean, that's one thing...but how can we be sure if at least one other person at the table besides the dealer thought it was a fold?
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:14 PM   #55
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Re: I got caught bluffing, but they reward me the pot.

Nice update ... I think every reg has run into a spot or two where the game leaned on them a little and their metal was tested. We are in a world right now where your past is heavily scrutinized and can impact your present more than ever before depending on how your 'enemies' might want to present it.

"Youth is wasted on the young ..." A person with a checkered past may need to earn our trust a little more than normal. But to also give credit to the present, we have the ability to watch people more than ever to ensure they are now 'grown up' or 'changed' in a way that allows them to add to our lives in the manner they wish to.

In this case here there was an obvious impact on OP .. most people would've forgotten about this thread or just kept it in the past, moving on in one way or another. Regardless of OP's intention of scratching a scar (the scab is long gone) all this thread needs to do is impact one new Player and a good deed has been done. GL
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