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Originally Posted by sexdotcom
I think alot of people who actually wait for the bettor to show first, only do it vs other regs or douche. I would not do this if the bettor was a fish.
All this argeument about scaring away fish/rec players is pointless because I think everyone here knows not to do that vs fish.
Infact I waited to show my hand just this weekend. The bettor was a young reg who raised my turn bet, and then shoved the river. I called with my turned full-house. He said "good hand, I have nothing."
I stayed silent.
He flips over 22 for a pure bluff, I then showed my fullhouse. Of-course he could have just mucked his hand, but he also wanted to see my hand. He can see my hand only after he show his. Rules are rules.
Okay. But there are at least four ways(that I feel stupid repeating because they have been mentioned) that this could affect a fish:
1) The player that you do this to gets mad and creates an uncomfortable game environment. Fish may either 1) leave or 2) stop having fun. When they stop having fun they tighten up and are less likely to come back and are more likely to notice that they are getting crushed. Fish pay for entertainment.
2) The fish get bored waiting for you two clowns to get over your showdown battle. This is a relatively minor concern, but if it is happening every showdown could be a major one.
3) The fish gets the idea this is a very serious game, not a fun recreational one. This can have similar game environment effects as number one.
4) The fish sees what happens when you bluff. You get embarrassed by having to show your hands and focusing all the attention on you.
There are two scenarios here:
1) The fish realizes that you are not asking him to showdown his cards. Being a person with some money to throw away, the fish is often a person of above average intelligence (this likely doesn't apply well to 1/2 and maybe not 2/5), and he figures out what this means. Having fish realize they are fish is bad for the games in the long-run, though it may not be in the short-run as he tries to prove he is not in fact a fish
2)The fish doesn't realize you are not asking him to show down his cards. The fact that you aren't going to do it to him is not especially relevant because he doesn't know that he's the fish you won't do it to. This discourages him from bluffing.Since fish are objectively awful at choosing good times to bluff this is bad for the game.
For me, there is rarely a situation where the value of refining the information I already have (that he was bluffing) is valuable enough to outweigh the above concerns.