Barry thanks for taking the time to respond to these posts! If I were a high-stakes pro, I wouldn't have the patience to explain my thinking to microlimit donks like myself. It is very interesting to hear your perspective on strategy and other things from the high stakes world! It is hard to understand why Daniel is making the plays he is, I wish he was (still?) posting here too...

I just saw how many pages there have been

but now that I think about it, I should start to do that barge into people's homes uninvited thing..

Thanks Barry. I have a whole lot of respect for you guys that come on here and post. Especially since there's always the small group of anonymous people that just want to take pot shots.

You get a call by a stronger hand(over here that would be 42u)

Andrew Seidman did a great analysis of this hand, believe it's on the deuces cracked podcast.

Dude... just slow down a bit... cause I have no idea what we are talking about now.

I deeply respect your game, and AFAIK every thinking player does also, so that's not the issue.

So getting back to the hand in question, my only point was that I found it LOL that you evaluated some 5-variable equation to reach your decision, when the overwhelming factor was whether durrrr was capable of making a move in that spot.

Because IF you thought he was capable of doing so, the number of hands with which he might make a move absolutely overwhelms any of the TT vs. A2s issues.

And IF you thought he wasn't, then of course it's a trivial fold.

That was my only point.

I didn't say I made the right play. I just gave my line of reasoning. I wasn't sure what to do, and I erred on the conservative side. This coming week's episode I wasn't sure what to do also, and had to guess. Some hands that went down without a flop and probably won't be shown factored into my decision. Most likely, a better mathematical analysis using my opponent's range would probably have resulted in a different decision, but sometimes math is idiotic.

Barry

I remember watching this, and thinking that it totally depends how deep barry was. If barry was 180k or less pre i think he shudda felted. otherwise i think he made a good pass (esp if he had over 200k pre)

They laughed at me when I called you loose

Sitting at a poker table with Tom Dwan on your immediate left is absolutely a worse case scenario.

Not necessarily in multi-way pots. If he's pushing the action, you get to see how the rest of the table reacts to him before it's your turn, which is some kind of info edge.

There are a lot of subtle factors involved obviously. But in the end BG called the flop bet because he did not know what was going on, and he had AA. On the turn he still did not know what is going on, and the bets were getting more expensive. It really was that simple.

Typically, it's best to fold when unsure what to do. Had BG just folded the flop, he would not have give Dwan a chance to outplay him.

Eastgate & Dwan on the hand:
http://www.pokerroad.com/forums/show...?t=5203&page=3

Nice analysis by Eastgate. It is cool to see all the participants of the hand comenting.

Thinking about the suits of the aces... that's some intelligent thinking

barry is smart/pretty good at poker but def. not great at deep stack nl. as his analysis shows

wow just readwhhole discussion barry seems reallyyyy outclassed by fricke and bonomo.

Some of you boneheads tilt the hell out of me...

bump

Just a question about dwans bluff. His bet was clearly shouting trip deuces, which is basically the last thing you would do if you really had such a monster in a 3 way pot right? If he really had that hand he would be betting for value rather than trying to scare everyone off which is what his bet did. Seemed like a clear bluff to me.

There is such thing as giving up (before you blow your whole stack). It seems a common theme on here that people believe if you make a mistake on one street then you have to further compound that mistake by making more -ev plays for the rest of the hand, just to remain "consistent" in your line or whatever. Also Eastgate cold called the flop which he wasn't counting on when he raised Barry's bet, which could easily result in him aborting ship or changing his plan, but in this instance it actually helped.

Also disagree with the early discussion that it's mandatory Barry bets the flop if he has TT (he said he wouldn't have). In an 8 handed pot there is a decent chance some have a duece but not so much a guarantee that it's compulsary to lead, likely all of the pocket pairs out there are going to be lower than TT given it's a none 3 bet pot so giving someone a chance to hit a smaller full as well as letting trip 2s/top pair do some of the betting for him is also a fine play.