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How is this a raise? How is this a raise?

10-31-2017 , 12:30 PM
I'm shocked by how many replies there are in this thread.

1 - It was a terrible ruling. Capping your cards is never a raise.
2 - If OP was holding up the game because he can't pay attention, this is not how you punish him. A warning followed by a final warning, followed by a rack would be appropriate if he's that much of a problem.
3 - I don't know the rule in this particular room, but if one of my suits was punishing problem players in this way, they would be in my office for a final warning counseling session. It's obvious the dealer/floor were going beyond the rules to get OP. Not ok.
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10-31-2017 , 02:01 PM
Action is on Op.
Dealer and players are all watching and waiting for him to act.
He looks like he has decided what he's gonna do.
He reaches into his stack ang grabs three greens.
He reaches out and drops them...on his cards?

Yeah, bad ruling. But I don't feel sorry for him.
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10-31-2017 , 07:14 PM
Can't say I feel sorry for him either, but as far as the race to the bottom goes, dealer finishes first.
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10-31-2017 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBlue56
I think the dealer shouldn't be asking questions that aren't questions.
Dealer wasn't asking if it was a raise.

He was asking if the raise was to 75. Just clarifying the amount.
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10-31-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ZippyThePinhead

Dealer asks me if that is a raise to 75.

I say no, but I'll raise to 12.

Dealer says, no that was a raise to 75.
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Originally Posted by steamraise
Dealer wasn't asking if it was a raise.

He was asking if the raise was to 75. Just clarifying the amount.
I disagree, based on OP anyway.
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11-01-2017 , 02:10 PM
Hmm, room has no betting line, unless OP reached into the center of the table to retrieve and cap his cards at the same time (in which case dealer sucks even more at his job), no way this is a raise.

Not sure why OP didn't have floor go to the camera to confirm there wasn't sufficient forward motion for it to not be a raise.

Also, sitting at a table with any random 9 respondents itt would surely be the most miserable experience imaginable.

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He says any forward motion facing action is a bet. I say fine, take the reds and cap my cards with them and put the 3 greens out front. Dealer then calls floor, explains the situation.
1- No it isn't.
2- Dealer called floor after you acquiesced to his ruling? Room manager needs to know about this guy. Pretty sure I know who it is.
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11-01-2017 , 02:14 PM
The comment about raising to 12 at least covers what your hand is to an extent, so they don't know it's not AA.
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11-01-2017 , 04:12 PM
Even if Zippy is the biggest douchebag in the poker world, if it went down as he described, and all he did was put 3 greens ON HIS CARDS, without passing the chips past the cards, doing any funky hand action, etc, then the dealer and floor basically targeted zippy with a customized punitive rule just for him cause he's a douchebag. (Again, this is provided he is an actual douchebag...)

In which case this is never ok. Rules should be applied consistently and fairly to all players. Being fed up with a douchebag for never paying attention doesn't justify rewriting the conventions to make putting chips on your cards into a raise when it isn't one for anyone else in the history of poker.

That said - you might want to get a dinky little goofball object to be your card protector. If they're out to get you (cause you may or may not be a total douchebag) then they're going to be out to get you.

That and get your f- head out of your f- phone and f- pay attention f-wad
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11-01-2017 , 04:31 PM
I'm missing something here. Dealer rules that you raised to 75, at first you objected to this, but ultimately complied and bet 75. I don't understand why the dealer then called the floor when he got what he asked for.
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11-01-2017 , 04:53 PM
^ Lots odd in the OP. Why would anybody put (cap) 3 Greens on their cards as a protector? Work from there.
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11-01-2017 , 04:55 PM
I bet if somehow the OP was able to post the video from surveillance, all the people who are saying it's not a raise would say "Yeah, it's a raise the way you threw the chips out, only one of them capped your cards. Good ruling".

Obviously if someone caps their cards with a couple chips it's not a raise, but the dealer seems to think the way OP threw them out when action was on him was defiantly indicative of a raise.

One sided arguments are hard to judge, especially when someone is trying to plead their case.
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11-02-2017 , 11:04 AM
Doesn't the forward motion rule require chips to move past the player's cards and not merely on them?
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11-02-2017 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapid_Fire
I'm missing something here. Dealer rules that you raised to 75, at first you objected to this, but ultimately complied and bet 75. I don't understand why the dealer then called the floor when he got what he asked for.
Because player is obviously unhappy with the ruling and it is better to get a floor over now to confirm or reverse the decision then wait until after the hand and the player starts complaining about it after it is too late to do anything about it.
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11-02-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mxp2004
Doesn't the forward motion rule require chips to move past the player's cards and not merely on them?
Depends on the room.
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11-02-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
Depends on the room.
So, in some rooms, if you're UTG and have chips in your fist when you reach to look at your cards, you just bet?
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11-02-2017 , 12:30 PM
Is it a coincidence that OP wanted to raise using 3 red chips and his supposed card cap was also 3 chips? oops, wrong color maybe? I would also love to see that video.
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11-02-2017 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mxp2004
So, in some rooms, if you're UTG and have chips in your fist when you reach to look at your cards, you just bet?
If you move chips towards the pot AND induce action (next player says call for example) it's a bet in most rooms. If you move your chips towards the pot and land them on the table that's considered a bet.
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11-02-2017 , 06:35 PM
Not if they are behind your cards (which are located in the usual, reasonable place) and/or behind your chipstack altogether.
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11-03-2017 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
If you move chips towards the pot AND induce action (next player says call for example) it's a bet in most rooms. If you move your chips towards the pot and land them on the table that's considered a bet.
So as soon as you touch a chip and even flinch I will insta call to bind you. Hmmm don’t think so.
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11-08-2017 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Lol

Wasn't gonna comment on the earbuds/phone thing but I agree - they're truly awful for the game.

What's funny is, in my casino the bigger the game the less you see players not socializing.

Then again if I had to grind $1/2 with nothing to my name like a lot of the lol regs in my room, I might want something to take my mind off the soul crushing feeling.

yeah. gotta agree. It is bad enough when players can't keep up with the game by just playing candy crush on their phone. but when they have the buds in also, the whole table waits about five seconds for the player even realize that they are in turn to act.

and then they never apologize, or try to correct the rudeness, they just kind of mumble to themselves and then go right back to burying their face in their phone.
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11-11-2017 , 06:45 PM
The only way this ruling makes any sense to me is if, in the act of capping his cards, the OP actually tossed his 3 chips forward to try to land on top of his cards and his cards were well in front of him, thereby making it a definitive forward motion. I get the sense that this is what happened if OP didn't put up an argument with either the dealer or the floor. Otherwise, if he made a standard card capping, then the dealer crossed a line and probably called the floor to prevent it from possibly biting him in the ass later because he knew he had acted wrongly.

We need to know from OP in detail exactly how he capped his cards.
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11-13-2017 , 06:37 AM
Terrible move by the dealer, worse action by the floor. Should have asked for an MOD, also, I would actually check their rules and see if there is a FM rule(Rare in a cash game) Also, if you are such a rube that you can fall for a pump fake you deserve to be pump faked at every street.
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11-13-2017 , 05:18 PM
I would spend the next three hours capping my cards with a $5 chip and insist that it is called a raise to $5 each time.
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