1/2 300 cap.
I have 900ish in reds and 3 greens.
Admittedly I'm as usual not paying much attention preflop. Action is on me under the gun pre, but I don't realize that. I look at my cards, then cap them by putting my 3 greens directly on top of them. Dealer asks me if that is a raise to 75. This is when I realize that action is me, so I say no, but I'll raise to 12 and put out 3 reds well I front of my cards.

Dealer says, no that was a raise to 75. I ask how can that be, i just capped my cards. He says any forward motion facing action is a bet. I say fine, take the reds and cap my cards with them and put the 3 greens out front. Dealer then calls floor, explains the situation. Floor says it is a raise to 75.

Thoughts?

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Maybe this is a slight exaggeration but assuming your account is accurate, the dealer and floor should be banned from the gaming industry for this decision. This is a stunningly awful ruling.

This dealer is generally grumpy with a small bit of attitude. My guess is that he was mad at me for not paying attention. I was buried in my phone and ear budds. He may have been impatiently waiting my action of which I was oblivious to.

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I think the dealer shouldn't be asking questions that aren't questions.

If the dealer is going to rule using forward motion, then they should have declared the raise to 75 right off the bat. I disagree with the application of that rule (making a player bet the chips used to cap cards), but if that's the rule AND you plan to enforce it, then don't ask.

Curious to know how the floor would have ruled if they arrived prior to you placing the 3 greens out front. Was the ruling based in part on having 75 in front already?

I play I this room average of 600 hours per year, never heard of this being a rule. I always cap my cards with chips.

Agree with your curiosity of the floor arriving to see 75 out front. Dealer didn't give me much opportunity to explain my perspective, and ruling was made very fast. If I pushed my case harder, i possibly could have convinced the floor to my side.



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The only way i can see this being a raise is you said "raise" before, not after, you capped your cards with the three greens and the cards were way out in front of you.

I did not say anything until after dealer asked me if that was a raise to 75. At the time I capped my cards, I had no idea action was on me. I had a big stack of reds. Cards were an inch or so in front.

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If th eroom has a forward motion rule, and you had an exagerated movement forward, i could see that being ruled a raise. i doubt that is what you did.

I agree that it is entirely inappropriate for the dealer to get you to declare your intentions, then rule a different action. If it is a raise, announce 'Raise' immediately.

Without seeing what happened, the floor will have to side with the dealer. The rule is a good rule to prevent pump fakes, but it was likely misapplied here (we can't say since we didn't see how you moved your chips).

I think that any rule that ultimately punishes an inattentive douchebag buried in his phone and wearing earbuds is an excellent rule. Such players are the bane of live poker.

Maybe you pissed somebody (dealer?) off and you don't realize it cause you were not paying attention and do that a lot. IDK. I was not there. Just guessing.

Lol

Wasn't gonna comment on the earbuds/phone thing but I agree - they're truly awful for the game.

What's funny is, in my casino the bigger the game the less you see players not socializing.

Then again if I had to grind $1/2 with nothing to my name like a lot of the lol regs in my room, I might want something to take my mind off the soul crushing feeling.

You sound like a real delight to play with.

Oh. Then forcing you to raise to $75 is justified.

The dealers serve the players, not the other way around. OP should be paying attention but any grudge held by the dealer should be put aside to keep the game going.

That said OP, ditch the headphones and phone when at the table and you'll never have this problem again. Plus, when you engage you'll have a better game to play in and you'll pick up more info to use to your advantage.

The dealer serves the game, which consists of all the players, not just the guy muddying up the game because he is too busing playing with his phone, or watching golf on tv, or whatever. I think that the guy saying it was justified was joking, but I think we all appreciate a dealer who tries to corral a slow, disengaged player who is hurting the game.

If you'd just ban the obnoxious people blabbering all the time, then there'd be a lot less ear-budding going on. It is what it is.

Unethical ruling, imo. You could have asked for a supervisor.

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Sounds like the ruling was correct. It's a terrible rule, and the dealer is an idiot for asking the question.

Even if it is the rule, definitely not fair to ask the question first, as this makes it more clear to the other players that it was an accidental raise. Dealer should be disciplined even if it was the rule, but it sounds like you didn't get the proper info to floorman and it doesn't make sense for him to have even been called after you went ahead and agreed to the larger raise.

Terrible ruling. I would never tip this dealer ever again.

Agree with most of what's been said.

- Terrible rule/ruling
- I don't understand why the dealer would ask if it's a raise then when OP says no the dealer refutes it
- OP sounds like a massive tool and if anybody deserved to have this ruled against them, it's OP

It's impossible to give an accurate comment on the ruling since no one can see how far your cards were away from you and how exactly the forward motion played out.

One thing I would like to ask is why cap your cards with 3 green chips in the frist place? If you don't have any dollars, why not just use a red chip?

Did the floor explain the reasoning for calling it a raise? Did the floor agree with the dealers reasoning? Did you not hear it because of inattentiveness? Our floor always gives reasoning (even if incorrect).