if im a solid lag player, not perfect but solid, what can i expect for a winrate at most live casinos these days? im gonna take a shot and shoot for $12 but im hoping thats conservative thanks!

Do you have any live history? What's you're past winrate been?

im not really speaking what can i specifically expect exuse my wording, i meant a general expectation which a regular makes these days that isnt elite but is still making a modest living.
12 is my guess , enlighten me ! ^_^
( please)

At what stakes?

1/2

Probably close to break even then, esp since you're solid but not perfect. You really need to be fundamentally perfect to start winning in small stakes games where you can make maybe 20/hr over the long run.

no , my fundamentals are perfect. i know exactly how the game works, i just make the occasional mistake when it comes to
lag strategy. u basically are saying a player is either break even , losing money or having 20per hr which is what most pros like blackrain are calling the max which only elites are gettinf in thr long run. however still thanks for reply

depends where you live. in california minimum wage is $16/hr, so if you announce clearly when you sit down that you're a professional playing for a living, casinos are obligated to recoup your losses to get you to $16/hr. some cardroom managers try to duck you when it comes time to make good on the min wage, so be sure to chase them down and be persistent.

outside of CA you're at the whims of the casino: what are the locals' proclivity to gamble? max buyin? rake structure? good chance you're dealing with $6+ rake at 1/2 plus extras for bbj, high hand, or whatever other promo they can layer on to make poker bingo and rake the rake.

Probably about tree fiddy per hour

You’re asking people to guess your potential win rate based on the fact that you’re a self proclaimed solid but not perfect lag player, with perfect fundamentals, who knows how the game works, but also doesn’t have any tracked history of winning….

Put it this way, 90%+ of the live 1/2 population isn’t beating the rake.

No, that's not at all what I said. It has nothing to do with "how the game works". I was referring strickly to strategy, of which I assumed when you said you're "not perfect", you were referring to how you play your hands, not how the game works.

I wasn't gonna say it bc I didn't wanna be that guy but if you're even asking this question then you're probably still a long way away from playing winning poker (keep your day job/stay in school ainec!!)

It feels like this thread was started as a trolling attempt, really.

i leaned that way but real world experience tells me this is why the game still thrives

can't tell you how many people I've seen who crushed their jv basketball teammates in bus ride poker games step into the casino for the first time and just get absolutely curb stomped because they were playing meaningless stakes against people with no interest in playing well who were just trying to pass the time and didn't understand folding is good

likewise, you get a lot of people who play a bit of play money poker on an app on their phone or on facebook and again do well and expect real money poker to be the exact same game as 50% of the table goes all in every hand preflop play money variety

there's a big prison by one of the places i play at a bunch and the absolute worst players who show up with $100 and last about 15 minutes are the guys who learned to play in prison, just got out and miss playing poker and just are not prepared for the pain of a poker game with competent players involved

sometimes i actually consider committing a crime just to access those juicy prison games

IMO 1/2 can actually be the worst place to try and make a consistent rate due to the typical wide range of Player dynamic at the table .. unless you are willing to adjust your style on the fly.

Can you beat 1/2-1/3 poker in the Midwest? Yes, certainly, but without the ability to read and adjust to the table you will struggle to make 'a lot' per week since you'll be limited in the number of hours you can play where the table is set up for your style of play.

I could expand for 6 paragraphs, but that's not your question.

The one thing that I've seen since CV is that the 'average' Reg Player is much better at recognizing how a Player plays and then being able to counter that style when playing a hand with that opponent. If you are stuck playing LAG, then the OMCs know how to trap you.

You have to make drastic adjustments to YOUR ranges based on who is in the hand. AQs can be a fold, call or raise from LP depending on WHOM made previous actions.

The other key factor at low stakes is bet sizing. You have to be able to find the right size bet for your exact opponent to maximize your profit in each hand. It may be 1/3 pot against an OMC and 1.5x pot against another POW in the same spot.

With Bomb Pots making their way into the Poker Rooms this is another spot to try and take advantage of your skill .. by folding A LOT! Yes, scoops are nice but don't come around that often.

$12/hour? I don't think there's a room I've seen where this is not available. BUT there are rooms where you can make a higher hourly playing 1/3 than you ever will at 2/5 just because of the Player Pool dynamic.

1) Bet sizing is #1 .. get full value against each opponent type
2) Positional Range Awareness .. AQ/AJs is the perfect example of fold/call/raise combo
3) Don't get caught up with the short stack shoves. This is not a tournament .. don't toss around 30bb as if it were unless you have a 'real' premium
4) Don't get caught up in the BP hype. If you don't have the nuts or can't scoop, then just get out. (Remember that you lose 25% of every chip when you end up chopping one Board while a 3rd Player takes down the other.) IMO an all-in bet is not as much of a friend as you think it is .. especially if you play a PLO BP.

The best thing you can do is go in with zero expectations and just play .. and keep notes. Then after 60-100 hours or so of play take a look to see how you're doing. It's more important to be making the 'right' play than your initial win/loss rate. GL

I thought this was a troll because he said he could make 12 dollars and I was thinking he meant total lol

I'm going to ignore your posts from 2022. Your hypothetical question you asked recently indicates that you don't have as "solid" understanding of poker that you think you have. The mere fact you asked a "what should I do with no reads" question is evidence of your lack of skill at live games.

The only way your find out if you can make 6 BB/hr is to go out and do it.

As someone who is playing in casinos more regularly, and having come from very laggy spewy private games, this part has been the most suprising to me. OMC are limping AQ-AA consistently at a table where the action is only really coming from one place, and getting paid off. I have found myself limping normal raising ranges online/private games J9-KQ so that I don't get owned by these types, because the casinos are filled with them.

Also people in the casino are not foldings pocket pairs if there is any kind of high hand promo. 2 cents.

Can someone explain to me what perfect fundamental LAG strategy is? I have been playing for a couple of decades and I still don't know what a perfect fundamental LAG strategy would look like

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OP: "i am a solid lag. i know exactly how the game works."
also OP: "can i win $12 in live poker?"