It's considered bad etiquette. Certainly not "unethical"?

All of Dumbo's threads lead to a moment where he's like "ah jeeze, whoops, forgot to mention this one load-bearing detail". He's a habitual trickle-truther.

Wonder if his west coast alter ego is Manners Please

This was only the most recent incident. I understand that Dumbo isn't likely the best at understanding social nuance and he likely does some things that some others dislike, but there is nothing he could do to deserve this kind of treatment that wouldn't have already gotten him thrown out.

Right, no one wants to go down the road if victim blaming. He shouldn't have to endure this harassment.

And.

It's almost worth another thread to discuss the "I just wanted my information!" excuse for minor jerkish violations of live poker norms, though I'm sure it's been discussed many times before.

But, in the name of convenience...


Do you think that paints you in a better light? Like we had assumed you were needing a total stranger out of pure sadism, but no, now that we know you did it for $3.25 worth of information it's all good.

Maybe social norms don't matter to you. But keeping games light-hearted and fun, especially for players you've never seen before, is the best way to keep them profitable.

The harasser should get thrown out regardless, absolutely. However many of the non criminal opponents paying attention at your table are also drawing inferences. Do you want them trying to play their best against you? Wouldn't that invalidate hundreds of hours of information on how they used to play against you when the games dynamic was different?

Ok noted. Thanks. I’ll just show next time. Didn’t think it was such a huge deal in the moment but apparently this is a no no.

And a lot of the times I will just fast roll too.

Thanks for your good natured reply and sorry for my sarcasm. I think you'll enjoy the fruits of keeping things good natured.

Most importantly I wish you all the best in getting this harasser out of your life.

With this harasser turning up regularly you need to show the rest of the table you are as unlike him as possible. Do everything you can to not be him. You do not want the rest of the regs and semi regs thinking in any way you 'deserve' the harassment because of the way you play (and I'm not suggesting you do here). You want them thinking you are a good guy being harassed by a jerk. It's +ev to cultivate that image.

Well, if it doesn't stop and you want to have some fun playing with the casino guys heads, write them a letter setting out the details of the harassment, and let them know given their failure to act in an effective manner to stop it, you are taking it to civil court and will be subpoenaing all video of every table you and harasser have played together at over the last x months. Dunno if there is anything in the gaming regs requiring them to provide a safe gaming environment but if there is you could mention that too. Might light a fire under them maybe.

Pretty sure they'd just ban OP if he ever mentions subpoenaing video but ya idk maybe they react differently then I expect. Most the time casinos try to deescalate a situation and if they can't deescalate they ban the person who seems the most difficult/doesn't make them as much money so unless he has complaints from other people as well or video shows obvious harassment not guaranteed they see the other person as the difficult one.

That would open them up to a possible discrimination case. Easier to just tell problem guy to knock it off on the quiet.

You guys keep quoting discrimination. You have to prove the reason for them treating you a certain way is because of a protected race/age etc for it so be discrimination. Ie you usually need a pattern of them treating everyone of that protected population that way so a class action lawsuit or them to outright say they did something different because of your race age etc. just because you happen to be part of a protected population and something bad happens to you does not qualify for discrimination it’s simply coincidental until proven otherwise.

They’re a private corporation. They can deny access to anyone without giving a reason. They will never give a reason or form a pattern that would open themselves up to discrimination lawsuits.

I think if the harasser even once called Dumbo a f--, it would definitely qualify for discrimination, so anything at all like that should be particularly noted.

I am not there OP.
We all have different temperaments.
Not saying this is the right time, but sometimes.....
Your in a tough spot for sure
Just sayin....

The point is to put some pressure on the casino to stop the harasser.
Which of these scenarios is preferable for the casino?

a: let it continue, ban OP, have to ace a possible lawsuit and/or be party to a civil claim by op against harasser, meaning you have to pull hours of video of his play; or

b:Have a quiet word in harassers ear telling him knock it off right now.

Not really worth arguing. You approach the situation however you want but from my experience threatening a lawsuit/civil suit and threatening to involve the casino and subpoenaing their video surveillance (pretty sure they're like most businesses and dont keep recordings of video past 72hr unless it's flagged for keeping anyways or would somehow benefit them to keep so they can't get brought into messes like this anyways) is not going to go over well for you if you want to continue frequenting that casino but idk maybe they treat you differently then others who have tried tactics like this before.

Read about the Equinox case in NY before you post nonsense. In real life often the targets of greenmail suits need to prove they are innocent not you prove they are guilty. Is it fair no. Is it the way the system currently works yes.

there is another option you might consider if its getting to you that much. offer him some action to stfu and get you in good games. the negotiate with a terrorist approach

What exactly do you mean by "some action"?

this bully is a pos but just turn your hand over when you have the nuts unless you have a player specific reason not to.
barring something weird like plo or 5 card plo like the guy piling it in on a flush board without even the blocker in a deep spr, the information isn't really telling you much anyway. someone could have ten different hands they make the same move with and you happen to see one of them. and as someone else pointed out just keep the game fun.

Our hero should have used his Poker skills against the bullies aggressive behavior towards him, but I'm afraid it's too late now for them to have any effect.
When you're a kid in the schoolyard, playground, and some bullie is trying to intimate you by coming towards you in a menacing way and saying, for example, you look funny, you stare him in the eyes, raise your voice, and answer back, ' oh yeah, what's it to you?'.
You'll see how quickly he shuts down. Because the last thing bullies want is someone who fights back. It's called a bluff!
When he stepped on your foot for example, you should have just told him to watch his feet in aggravated voice. By keeping silent, it was an invitation for him to continue to harass you.
Now it's too late since he probably has absolutely no respect or fear of you. But keep in mind for the future.
Now all you can do is avoid him. If they seat you at the same table, or him at your table, always ask for a table change. Let him get the picture that you want nothing more do with him.

Actually, I told him to stop stepping on my foot that time. I’ve always stood up against him and bullies in general. This one’s just persistent.

You mean to tell me I wrote all that for nothing!
But in what tone of voice did you tell him?
Oh well. I just this guy is just some sort of dirt bag.
I know you're not entirely innocent, but nothing you did justifies this type of persistent behavior.
Just avoid him. Even if it means not being able to if there's aren't any other tables available.

I have a boyhood friend who I don't want anything to do with anymore, but he would have been able to take care of this situation if I was in your shoes. I'll just leave it at that. But sometimes you need friends like that.
Good luck.

Maybe I'm beating a dead horse as the saying goes, but here goes anyways.
If you don't have it in you to try to act tough, which is understandable. Not everyone is. It sort of depends on how and where you grew up.
So there's always the other route one can take. Humor.
Like for example, if someone gets too close to your personal space, you can react with something like, ' I didn't know you cared.'

Just make sure you don't get in trouble with the law and ever end up having to do jail time.

The floor stopped by last night and let me know they added a note on his account about the harassment. It's something at least.