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Old 01-05-2018, 06:00 PM   #101
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Re: Horse robbed... opinions needed

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"Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"
Sure, that too. But in this situation I can see a case for self-defense. IANAL, but bear with me.

You're trapped in your car in a drive-thru at 4:00 AM with no one around. Sketchy guy who skulked out of the shadows to block you won't move. You honk your horn repeatedly, still nothing. You flash your brights and rev your engine, and he still doesn't budge.

He's clearly trapping you on purpose now. At this point, you know you're dealing with either a stubborn robbery attempt or a seriously crazy person. Both present an obvious danger to you. You throw it in gear and start rolling toward him, laying into your horn the whole way. You really just hope he'll move. You don't want to run him over, but you will if the alternative is whatever his criminal or insane plan is.

In this same situation—being trapped and menaced by an unknown figure in a bad place at a bizarre hour—you'd be within your rights to draw a weapon. You legitimately fear for your life, and even in a state without stand-your-ground laws, your only real opportunity to retreat is being blocked by this creepy fellow.

What else can you reasonably be expected to do? Remaining where you are puts you in danger. Getting out of the car puts you in even more danger than that. Even attempting to use your phone to call 911 could cost you your life.

Add to that the plan to call the police immediately after you escape—plus the fact that Dunkin Donuts has video cameras all over their property—and I can't imagine you'll get in trouble for defending yourself and your passenger from a clearly dangerous person.

(Definitely don't mention to the cops that you're carrying $12K, though.)
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Old 01-07-2018, 01:50 PM   #102
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I've played regularly at FW for over 10 years. I have not once stopped at that Dunkin Donuts on the road in (and I pass it virtually every time).

Because there is a 24 hr Dunkin Donuts inside the casino within 100 feet of the entrance to the Poker Room (where I often do get donuts). The other benefit is that they take rewards points. And it is on the way from the Parking lot.

I would think long and hard about what caused you guys to leave MS and then pull off the road at that hour to the external DD. If in the end it was at the suggestions of your friend, then you have your answer as to what happened.

The lesson to be learned is to take every last possible precaution when carrying large amounts of cash (or chips).

There are times when I have to carry >$5,000 on my person but it is rare. For years I had boxes in the casinos where I played regularly. On the occasions where I carry large sums of money I always conceal the vast majority of it in some sort of money belt (a fanny pack worn under my clothes will do) with enough of a roll in my pocket to satisfy a random thief. If it was a setup, you would have lost the cash anyway, but if it wasn't then the cash would still be yours.

On big tournament scores I will take a check rather than cash, and I will also not cash out right after the tournament at FW but instead take my yellow voucher with me and cash out the next day and/or use the cash box area which is in a secure private room. It requires a picture ID to cash out so even if the voucher is stolen it is likely I will not have lost my payout.

Best of luck in the future.

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Old 01-07-2018, 08:17 PM   #103
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I can't believe we have past 100 replies ITT when the answer is clear...call the RCMP as there are no one better to investigate a horse robbery.
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:37 PM   #104
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I can't imagine you'll get in trouble for defending yourself and your passenger from a clearly dangerous person......
In any case, "It's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6....."
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:51 PM   #105
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Im assuming the $12000 belongs to you so in my opinion, YOU got robbed and he just happened to be with you when it happened. You eat the loss and he stays at $3500 makeup. I have a few questions though.

1) Why does someone need to be staked for 5 years?
2) Why do you keep the entire $12000 bankroll at the casino? He should never need more than $2500 or so at any one time.

PS...It seems pretty suspicious that you got robbed exactly on this day after taking $12K out of the box. My guess is its an inside job. Someone at the casino, (or hopefully not your friend) set you up.
These are literally all the things I was thinking.

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So if they are getting robbed and the friend pulls out $15.5K and before handing it over to the robber hands it to OP and says here is your $12K stake and the $3.5K makeup I owe you .... we are square now ..... does that change things?
Ha, good question.
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Old 01-19-2018, 05:23 PM   #106
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Is putting your car in reverse and LITERALLY backing away from the situation not a viable option?
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Old 01-22-2018, 11:00 AM   #107
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Not sure if anyone mentioned this but..

there is also dd inside of Foxwoods less than 2 miles away
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:36 PM   #108
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this is the stupidest story I've ever read
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Old 01-24-2018, 01:30 PM   #109
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"ever" Dom? must be a sample size issue then.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:06 PM   #110
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this is the stupidest story I've ever read
You should read "The Darwin Awards. Evolution in Action" makes the OP story seem almost mainstream behavior
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Old 01-24-2018, 08:00 PM   #111
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you guys really should be familiar with "hyperbole" by now.
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Old 01-24-2018, 11:35 PM   #112
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I spot it every time, dom
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Old 01-25-2018, 05:19 AM   #113
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I know OP made some bad moves, but hope he's okay.

OP, I'm curious, what did you decide to do with your friend regarding the staking?
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:22 PM   #114
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His friend figured out OP set him up and now he's MIA.
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Old 01-27-2018, 04:07 AM   #115
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Seems like an inside job orchestrated by op, because nobody could possibly be that stupid/naive

this 100%
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Old 01-27-2018, 01:19 PM   #116
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you guys really should be familiar with "hyperbole" by now.
Is that the one at the end of the Arena Football season?
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:06 PM   #117
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i can't understand how someone needs to be staked for 2/5 nl for 5 years.

i can't understand how people on a poker forum think 12k is some unusual amount of money to have on them in a casino.

i really can't understand how the hell you get out of the car when you're already in a locked car with someone holding their hands up for you to stop in a parking lot at 4am.

i still remember being about 8 years old and my dad was driving by the Bronx Terminal Market in what is no still not a good area but a mall but back then a complete hell hole in the south Bronx when some guy jumped a few hundred feet in front of his van put up his hands and yelled stop. My dad floored it straight at the guy who barely got out of the way.

This was totally avoidable - the guy didn't even get you walking back to your car.

As for the 12k i guess if you trust the guy it's your loss but the entire thing sounds so shady.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:12 PM   #118
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The room I play in requires your drivers license to get a players card. So unless the address on your card is wrong, they have your address.
i've never had my real adresss on a drivers lisense. there is zero upside for me especially being i'm in casinos/poker room a lot.
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Old 02-01-2018, 05:59 PM   #119
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i've never had my real adresss on a drivers lisense. there is zero upside for me especially being i'm in casinos/poker room a lot.
In Az, you can put whatever you want on your DL, as long as the state had your actual physical address. I had my PO Box on my DL for years in my 20's thru 30's, because I moved every 6 months or a year, but mostly to get Tempe resident rates on their municiple golf courses. I must have saved 10's of dollars, maybe as much as multiple 100's (maybe 2) over the decade or so I did that.
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Old 02-02-2018, 10:48 AM   #120
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In Az, you can put whatever you want on your DL, as long as the state had your actual physical address. I had my PO Box on my DL for years in my 20's thru 30's, because I moved every 6 months or a year, but mostly to get Tempe resident rates on their municiple golf courses. I must have saved 10's of dollars, maybe as much as multiple 100's (maybe 2) over the decade or so I did that.
Quit braggin, this ain't BBV
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Old 02-02-2018, 12:19 PM   #121
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In Az, you can put whatever you want on your DL, as long as the state had your actual physical address. I had my PO Box on my DL for years in my 20's thru 30's, because I moved every 6 months or a year, but mostly to get Tempe resident rates on their municiple golf courses. I must have saved 10's of dollars, maybe as much as multiple 100's (maybe 2) over the decade or so I did that.
This is not true. You can't "put whatever you want on your DL".

If you move, you have 10 days to notify the DMV of your new address. However, you're not required to update your documents (your physical drivers license). This doesn't men you can just put any address you want on there.

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Old 02-03-2018, 01:51 AM   #122
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Question for people in the thread -

I know at Foxwoods when you cash your chips out you can request a check instead of cash. That's what I do every time since I'm terrified of getting robbed. I've never had a box though - question is, when you're withdrawing say a $10k box can you just have them write you a $10k check and have them keep the cash? Or are checks/wires only a courtesy for actually cashing out chips? Seems like it would be an easy security solution if casinos offered that.
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Old 02-03-2018, 07:22 AM   #123
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This is not true. You can't "put whatever you want on your DL".

If you move, you have 10 days to notify the DMV of your new address. However, you're not required to update your documents (your physical drivers license). This doesn't men you can just put any address you want on there.

like some dmv hacks are gonna find out you have the wrong address on your license let alone do anything about it
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Old 02-03-2018, 10:37 PM   #124
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Question for people in the thread -

I know at Foxwoods when you cash your chips out you can request a check instead of cash. That's what I do every time since I'm terrified of getting robbed. I've never had a box though - question is, when you're withdrawing say a $10k box can you just have them write you a $10k check and have them keep the cash? Or are checks/wires only a courtesy for actually cashing out chips? Seems like it would be an easy security solution if casinos offered that.
Keep the box contents in chips not cash. Keep at least a buy in or two in the denomination you want to directly enter your normal game. So you can go from box to playing with no cash to chips needed and not even changing the chips. Keep the balance in the not in larger denom chips. This makes you question moot. The contents are in chips so getting a check is the same as normal.

If you box contents are in cash and you can't get a check, just buy chips. Then go back in 30 minutes and get a check for those chips. But I would be very surprised if you could not get a check for your cash. Remember that regs require casinos to maintain minimum amounts of cash on hand. These regs inherently give cash some extra value to the casino. If the amount of cash is large enough then the extra value of that cash to the casino will cover their costs to cut you a check. So unless you are asking for a check for $18 I would expect them to gladly give you a check and if the amount was more like $12K, they probably even prefer giving you a check.
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Old 02-04-2018, 12:43 AM   #125
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Helpful stuff

Thanks - this seems like the GTO strat for anyone who is properly accounting for and paying their taxes such that having large checks from casinos posting to their bank accounts isn't an audit issue.
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