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Old 12-27-2017, 03:10 PM   #76
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Old 12-27-2017, 04:11 PM   #77
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file an insurance claim
Yeah , likely no hard questions from the adjusters, a mere formality in this particular case!
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Old 12-27-2017, 05:10 PM   #78
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Yeah , likely no hard questions from the adjusters, a mere formality in this particular case!
So much this. Insurance adjusters are likely less gullable than the average 2+2er.

Sooo, you took out $12k, somebody kidnapped you then drove you to a secluded spot to rob you?

No, I drove to a secluded spot on my own and robbers were waiting for me. I got out of the car instead of driving away.

Ok, no problem, here is your $12k back. Thanks for using Dumbass Underwriters.
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Old 12-27-2017, 06:43 PM   #79
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so the scenario is that 3 armed, do-rag-wearing, spanish guys were just hanging out at 4am at a closed establishment with no reason to expect traffic at that hour, in the middle of the new england winter? hmmm..
They had three arms? This story just keeps getting more and more difficult to believe.
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Old 12-27-2017, 10:20 PM   #80
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1. OP has to eat the $12K loss. It's your money, and you were foolhardy enough to let your horse carry your wad of hundos in … what was it, his front pocket? Awesome. Be responsible for your cash next time, if there's a next time. From this story, I'm not even sure there should be one.

2. Personal security, man.

2a. When you're transporting a large amount of cash, get from point A to point B with no interruptions. Indulge in your creature comforts after your money is secured. Every moment that money is unsecured, you're gambling with it all.

2b. If you have a choice, don't transport large amounts of cash at crazy hours of the night.

2c. Between roughly 11:00 PM and 6:00 AM, any person who approaches you in any fashion for any reason is automatically suspect. Blocking your car makes him 20 times as suspect as he was just from approaching you. Failing to move when you honk repeatedly makes him 100 times as suspect as that. Getting out of your car at any point in the encounter is insane.

Next time, rev the engine to give him a warning and then drive straight at him. If he doesn't move, run him over. Have your horse call the police on the way out to tell them you were accosted by a Level 2,000 suspicious person at 4:00 AM and had no choice but to hit him during your escape. Haul ass out of there and don't stop driving until you're at your destination.

2d. Don't carry large amounts of cash in easily accessed pockets or places where it might accidentally fall out. You never know when some **** might go down.

2e. Be super-paranoid whenever you're moving cash from a place where people expect you to be moving cash. From your perspective, no one followed you, and you should've blended right in at the high-roller section. From the perspective of a criminal, it may have looked very different, and whenever there's a lot of money around, criminals are watching and waiting. A lot of whales play big but never leave with any cash because they play sucker games. High-denom casino chips are too risky to steal. A smart robber would wait for a chance to make a big cash score. If the rest of this story is any indication, you and your horse may have been more obvious targets than you realized.

3. Some of the details of this narrative are totally ridiculous.

3a. Even if the Dunks is open, it's 4:00 AM. These guys just happen to be out waiting for a car to steal at that time and location—instead of, y'know, stealing a parked car from literally anywhere?

3b. Your horse just happens to drop the roll on the ground?

3c. All of this just happens to occur during a 15-minute span when you're carrying $12K from one casino to another?

I suppose we'll never know the whole truth of how that robbery came together, but from the details here, it seems like there's a significant chance someone set it up—perhaps your horse, or a casino employee, or someone casing the high-stakes area at Mohegan. It's not impossible that it was the most fortuitous dumb-luck robbery in the history of Connecticut; it's just really hard to take that premise at face value. The horse is extra-suspect to me because he's in debt (and that $3,500 is probably significant to him), and people in debt do crazy things sometimes. But it really could've been anyone.

4. I haven't seen anyone say this in this thread, so I'm saying it: don't stake your best friend from kindergarten. Yes, I know, you feel you can trust him, and that makes it seem like an easier thing to do, but it's the same principle as not renting real estate to your friends. At the end of the day, it's a business arrangement, and someday you may need to do something less than friendly.

Your decisions should be based in the facts of the situation, and the more your opinion is colored by your long-term friendship, the more likely you are to make a mistake (especially the biggest one people make when dealing with friends, which is continuing to remain involved when you shouldn't). The fact is that you don't want to suspect your horse because, above all, he's a very close friend. Trust me, I had a "friend" steal from me, and I did mental somersaults to avoid casting suspicion on him, but he sure as hell was the one who did it.

Even if your friend didn't set up the robbery, he doesn't seem to be making you any money from his play. And you trusted him to secure your whole roll, and he put it in a frankly dumbass place and then fumbled it during a robbery. After all is said and done, how comfortable will you honestly be putting another five-figure sum under his supervision? Would your opinion be different if he were John Q Horse instead of John Q Bestfriendfromkindergarten? Think about it.
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Old 12-27-2017, 10:29 PM   #81
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insurance wont cover this kind of thing.
and its a good story for all of us tho think about on how to keep ourselves safe. whether its true or not.
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Old 12-27-2017, 10:31 PM   #82
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mistakes made=

counting out the money in public casino area.
stopping in any out of the way place at 4 am
getting out of your car for any person you dont know
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Old 12-27-2017, 11:43 PM   #83
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I reread your original post and I am now wondering if you posted in here for support that he owes you more than the makeup figure. Given all of the above-noted mistakes you made when your "horse was robbed" was it your belief that he should share in the loss because he was "holding" the money?
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:37 AM   #84
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I play a lot at Foxwoods, and just wanted to chime in that this story is hard to believe. I play enough in/around the 2/5 player pool at those casinos that I'm sure over the next week I will hear about this story IRL due to the poker gossip machine, so I'll happily post otherwise if I feel I'm jumping to conclusions, but:

That Dunkin Donuts is for sure open 24 hours, and I drive by it at ~ 4AM a lot and see cars parked in the parking lot every time, mostly because the employees obviously have to drive there and park. So that element of the story is off, and thats not a small issue - employees being in the DD would be the first people you would contact if you were robbed a few feet away from the entrance, if only to alert them to call the cops. The fact the lights were on/employees cars in the lot would mean you would definitely try knocking on their door immediately. Fudging what you remember about the DD being open is sketch.

Even more than that, its REALLY COLD in Eastern CT this time of year, and the 3 guys hanging out in the dark outside of a "closed" Dunkin Donuts at 4 AM would be risking hypothermia. It doesn't say when the event took place, but it sounds relatively recent. Potentially 20s or 30s or less deg. F outside at that time.

If this is real, it is a disturbing story that should be spread around the local poker scene as a PSA. Lots of people go between the two casinos and lots of poker players use that Dunkin Donuts. So if my radar is off and this actually happened as described, hope you get it resolved well and hope these criminals are caught at some point, because they will certainly do it again if it was this successful.

But as a local to these games/casinos/Dunkin Donuts in question, just based on LOL live reads, it sound like a sketchy story. I know brains get scrambled in robbery situations, but your story itself has changed a bit and describing it as "getting searched" to getting robbed in a closed DD that was definitely open at 4 AM by thieves who must have been on foot in freezing weather with nowhere to go but back to Foxwoods itself and yet the cops have zero leads...

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Old 12-29-2017, 12:56 AM   #85
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There's a mediocre movie from the early 70's called Rancho Deluxe. Jeff Bridges, Sam Waterston, and Harry Dean Stanton (all IMPOSSIBLY young!) are ranch hands planning to steal a bunch of cattle from their employer. The rancher has hired a doddering old fool (Slim Pickens) as his security chief. The young guys laugh at the old goofball, thinking this job will be a piece of cake.

At the end of the movie, when they've loaded the stolen cattle onto a stolen truck and begin to make their get-away, they don't get ten feet--the doddering old man is waiting for them. His doddering was all an act.

One of the young guys asked him, "How did you know it was us?"

The old guy hit him with a line that has served me well throughout life: "Son...it's ALWAYS an Inside Job!"
Jimmy Buffet did the music/soundtrack/score
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Old 12-29-2017, 01:42 PM   #86
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As it stands, it's your $12k and you got robbed. The $3,500 make-up stands if you are willing to continue the arrangement.

Now, since your OP and others imply an attempt to dig deeper, (fault, debt, cause, etc) this story really stinks to high heaven. So many red flags, itís like the Fermi paradox of robberies. Any one of these points on their own can be chalked up to naivety or bad luck, but all together, Iíd bet money on conspiracy (legal sense) or trolling. Thatís coming from a person who stands by the quote, ďnever attribute to malice what can be better explained by stupidity.Ē This is such an extraordinary chain of events that it strains credibility.

Remember that some people will do unspeakable things for a dollar or less. $12k is life-changing money for A LOT of people.

Here is my line for those keeping score:

Didnít happen (trolling) > Criminal targeting (premeditated) > Setup (by any number of people) > Random, lottery winning, aborted carjacking.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:20 AM   #87
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:55 PM   #88
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Iím from Connecticut and have played a ton at Foxwoods and made that drive a few times before. That area is one of the whitest areas in the world. I canít remember if that DD is 24 hours but I think it is.
What does the area being white even mean?

Think about your answer very carefully before you reply to me.
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:23 PM   #89
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Next time, rev the engine to give him a warning and then drive straight at him. If he doesn't move, run him over. Have your horse call the police on the way out to tell them you were accosted by a Level 2,000 suspicious person at 4:00 AM and had no choice but to hit him during your escape. Haul ass out of there and don't stop driving until you're at your destination.
Lol this will get you in deep deep trouble. They'd slap you with vehicular manslaughter at minimum if he dies. You cant run somebody over because he wont move out of your way, even if you honk at him. You have to be in reasonable fear of your life for self defense to hold in court, him standing in front of your car and not moving wont give you the right to kill. If he has a gun then its different but in that case drivivng straight at him is a death wish. So either way you are screwed if you dont have your own gun right beside you.
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Old 12-31-2017, 02:11 AM   #90
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What does the area being white even mean?

Think about your answer very carefully before you reply to me.
OP described the guy standing in front of his car as "Spanish".
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:06 AM   #91
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Seems like an inside job orchestrated by op, because nobody could possibly be that stupid/naive
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:42 AM   #92
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One of them said"empty your pockets inside out, and we both did and i dropped my phone and like 80 bucks cash i only had on me. My friend frozeup and reluctlantly did the same and the wad of 100s just came on out
Wad of 100's just came on out?

You claim the bankroll was 12.5k, even if it it was all in 100s, that's two and a half bricks of bills your friend would've had to stuff in his pocket. For those who haven't done it before, it's not such an easy feat.

No way he is able to reach in and simply turn his pockets inside out while bills come spilling out. He'd be lucky to fit his hand in there at all. A more plausible story would have him handing over the money in small stacks one at a time.

FYI, this is what a roll of that size would look like:



Along with what all the others have pointed out, I'm giving your troll effort 3/10.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:29 AM   #93
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Wad of 100's just came on out?

You claim the bankroll was 12.5k, even if it it was all in 100s, that's two and a half bricks of bills your friend would've had to stuff in his pocket. For those who haven't done it before, it's not such an easy feat.

No way he is able to reach in and simply turn his pockets inside out while bills come spilling out. He'd be lucky to fit his hand in there at all. A more plausible story would have him handing over the money in small stacks one at a time.

FYI, this is what a roll of that size would look like:



Along with what all the others have pointed out, I'm giving your troll effort 3/10.
Hmmmm, that's a suspiciously incriminating picture. Are you wearing a Du Rag by any chance?

Also, one guy "demanded 'keys keys'". Maybe that was your partner, and he was just referring to you.

You got some tough questions to answer Key Guy.
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Old 01-02-2018, 09:20 AM   #94
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You claim the bankroll was 12.5k, even if it it was all in 100s, that's two and a half bricks of bills your friend would've had to stuff in his pocket. FYI, this is what a roll of that size would look like:
Uh, are you sure those aren't 10k bricks (each)?

It is perfectly simple to fold $15k in half and stick in a pocket. Here it is (banded into a few $2k chunks as well, which no doubt makes it even thicker than it could be) with an eyeglass case as a size comparison.

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Old 01-02-2018, 09:54 AM   #95
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this looks more like 25 to 30K. 12K is about one of those two stacks in the rubber bands.

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My friend frozeup and reluctlantly did the same and the wad of 100s just came on out .
It's literally impossible for that many bills to just fall out.
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:56 PM   #96
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Wad of 100's just came on out?

You claim the bankroll was 12.5k, even if it it was all in 100s, that's two and a half bricks of bills your friend would've had to stuff in his pocket. For those who haven't done it before, it's not such an easy feat.

No way he is able to reach in and simply turn his pockets inside out while bills come spilling out. He'd be lucky to fit his hand in there at all. A more plausible story would have him handing over the money in small stacks one at a time.

FYI, this is what a roll of that size would look like:



Along with what all the others have pointed out, I'm giving your troll effort 3/10.
If those are all $100 bills then you have at least $25,000 there
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Old 01-02-2018, 09:18 PM   #97
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Uh, are you sure those aren't 10k bricks (each)?
Yeah looking at it now you're probably right.

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It is perfectly simple to fold $15k in half and stick in a pocket. Here it is (banded into a few $2k chunks as well, which no doubt makes it even thicker than it could be) with an eyeglass case as a size comparison.

That still looks pretty thick to me, the equivalent of two eyeglass cases which would make it pretty difficult to stick your hand in your pocket and simultaneously turn it inside out having that that much cash in it. Add that to the other nonsense OP posted and I'm calling BS.
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Old 01-02-2018, 10:58 PM   #98
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INSIDE JOB

P.S. Staking for live low-mid stakes is ridiculous... especially for 5 years. No one any good needs staking at these levels.
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Old 01-05-2018, 02:44 PM   #99
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Story makes no sense as written.

Either OP's friend set it up (maybe he suggested going to the DD and maybe he suggested getting out) or OP made it up for whatever reason. Maybe the real robbery was much more embarrassing (maybe drug or hooker related?) or maybe OP just likes writing creative fiction.
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Lol this will get you in deep deep trouble. They'd slap you with vehicular manslaughter at minimum if he dies. You cant run somebody over because he wont move out of your way, even if you honk at him. You have to be in reasonable fear of your life for self defense to hold in court, him standing in front of your car and not moving wont give you the right to kill. If he has a gun then its different but in that case drivivng straight at him is a death wish. So either way you are screwed if you dont have your own gun right beside you.
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