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Old 05-19-2017, 12:14 PM   #26
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Re: High hand promos

If a high hand promo encourages people to go all in preflop with Ten high, that seems like an argument for it.

I'm with you at not liking short rebuys however. Don't see any reason why rebuys shouldn't be held to the minimums for initial buyins.
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:22 PM   #27
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I'm with you at not liking short rebuys however. Don't see any reason why rebuys shouldn't be held to the minimums for initial buyins.
Every place at which I play, they are. The only exception is that one - - and only one - - short rebuy is allowed if no one at the table objects.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:55 PM   #28
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Every place at which I play, they are. The only exception is that one - - and only one - - short rebuy is allowed if no one at the table objects.
my room has a one-time short rebuy rule. I saw a guy buy in for $3 once. if he was smart he would have asked for all whites so his stack looked more intimidating.
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:13 PM   #29
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Well there are multiple alternatives. One is that they are not included and if promo is funded by a promo drop they contribute to the drop. Another is to find another promotion for the the Omaha games or have a separate promo (funded by a separate drop).
I think this is what the Orleans in Vegas does. The Omahaha qualifier is "higher".
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:26 PM   #30
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If a high hand promo encourages people to go all in preflop with Ten high, that seems like an argument for it.
Seriously. Think about the thousands of times he wouldn't make a straight flush for every time that he did.

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I'm with you at not liking short rebuys however. Don't see any reason why rebuys shouldn't be held to the minimums for initial buyins.
Wait, what? How about the reason you just stated above? People shoving with bad hands. The most he can win from you is $40, and the odds favor you.
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:31 PM   #31
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Wait, what? How about the reason you just stated above? People shoving with bad hands. The most he can win from you is $40, and the odds favor you.
If you think allowing a $40 buyin is a good idea, then it should be allowed for new players to the game as well. I don't particularly care much what the minimum buyin is, but I see no reason it should be higher for new players than for players who just busted.
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:43 PM   #32
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If a high hand promo encourages people to go all in preflop with Ten high, that seems like an argument for it.
It doesn't encourage them be because they aren't smart enough for that. Unfortunately that doesn't change the fact that they benefit from it, wether they know about it or not.

There are several reasons why having a 13BB stack is bad for other players. The most obvious one doesn't matter too much because the players are usually too bad to take advantage of it, but if a short stack player plays proper strategy, you basically can't beat him. That's the reason for all the professional short stackers online that eventually forced websites to raise minimum buy-ins.

In live games against bad players, the biggest problem is rake. Getting it in for a $80 pot might cost $4+1, while getting it in for a $600 pot might cost $5+1. It's not a good thing for players if the biggest pots might not even hit max. rake.
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Old 05-22-2017, 06:12 PM   #33
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It doesn't encourage them be because they aren't smart enough for that. Unfortunately that doesn't change the fact that they benefit from it, wether they know about it or not.

There are several reasons why having a 13BB stack is bad for other players. The most obvious one doesn't matter too much because the players are usually too bad to take advantage of it, but if a short stack player plays proper strategy, you basically can't beat him. That's the reason for all the professional short stackers online that eventually forced websites to raise minimum buy-ins.

In live games against bad players, the biggest problem is rake. Getting it in for a $80 pot might cost $4+1, while getting it in for a $600 pot might cost $5+1. It's not a good thing for players if the biggest pots might not even hit max. rake.
This is a big side effect from a player point.

The house loves all the promo's, they draw people in.
don't believe it does, go into a room running a , lets say $500 High Hand every 30 min till 10 pm
watch the flock go out the doors at 10:10pm
more tables means more rake for the house, its that simple.

more short stacked HH chasers means less profit for you..
break it down, you fold they all limp one of them hits HH
they limp you raise, maybe 1 caller then check fold flop unless they smashed the flop. you either lose big pot(IE: their stack size) or win $20 pot. you get no chance of HH. Winning a 5-600$ pot is a pipe dream as there isn't $600 on the table.
unless you reside yourself you are no longer playing poker but BINGO.


What makes the bad beat great is it is mostly a by-product of the hands playing themselves out.
A high hand promo becomes the main focus and completely changes the game.
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