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Old 12-01-2017, 07:04 PM   #76
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Re: Help on scene in poker pilot?

I don't know how many dealers would actually ask if he was sent there, most dealers just assume he was and swipe him in. At least in the rooms I mostly play at.

Maybe he sits down, then another player comes right behind him and says "That's my seat"

"No it's not, I was here first"

Dealer: "were you sent here"?

Newbie: "um what"?

Then the brush comes over, lets him stay, and sends the other guy to another table. Old dudes say "Good we wanted him anyway"

Of course, 99% of the audience probably won't know the difference anyway.
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Old 12-01-2017, 10:24 PM   #77
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I don't know how many dealers would actually ask if he was sent there, most dealers just assume he was and swipe him in. At least in the rooms I mostly play at.

Maybe he sits down, then another player comes right behind him and says "That's my seat"

"No it's not, I was here first"

Dealer: "were you sent here"?

Newbie: "um what"?

Then the brush comes over, lets him stay, and sends the other guy to another table. Old dudes say "Good we wanted him anyway"

Of course, 99% of the audience probably won't know the difference anyway.
Yeah, I was wondering about the dealer knowing. I might use the reasoning that the dealer saw Peter walk straight in, and might have them ask "Did you just walk in? You have to sign in." Also, that's a great line ("good we wanted him anyway") might have to use some variant of that! Thanks.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:44 AM   #78
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Re: Help on scene in poker pilot?

Internet to live:

Asking dealer or player the pot size
Shoving big pocket pair into a tiny pot out of turn
Visual tells
Arguing about the oversized chip being only a call rule (tournament)
Doing or saying **** one would not do/say in public but would if behind a computer screen.

Newbie:
Asking if any games use wildcards
Counting straight cards or flushes out loud
String betting all in using term like "going over the top of" or "jamming over" and then arguing its the second most popular term meaning "all in" on tv poker.
Calling to river and then folding to small bet, expressing they missed their card on river.
Siiting in a huge game with a rack of white or wanting nlhe but sitting in the Omaha game, suddenly realizing they are in the wrong game.

*The blackjack scene in swingers is the quintessential newbie gambling scene.

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Old 12-02-2017, 02:51 PM   #79
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Re: Help on scene in poker pilot?

Jjjj are you trying to insinuate that the oversize chip rule is for tournaments only? Why? That rule applies to equally to cash and tournaments.

But given no chips at all online, it is certainly a part of the game an online to live player will not have experience with
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:55 PM   #80
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Internet to live:

Asking dealer or player the pot size
Shoving big pocket pair into a tiny pot out of turn
Visual tells
Arguing about the oversized chip being only a call rule (tournament)
Doing or saying **** one would not do/say in public but would if behind a computer screen.

Newbie:
Asking if any games use wildcards
Counting straight cards or flushes out loud
String betting all in using term like "going over the top of" or "jamming over" and then arguing its the second most popular term meaning "all in" on tv poker.
Calling to river and then folding to small bet, expressing they missed their card on river.
Siiting in a huge game with a rack of white or wanting nlhe but sitting in the Omaha game, suddenly realizing they are in the wrong game.

*The blackjack scene in swingers is the quintessential newbie gambling scene.
Thanks for those. Some of these fall under "truth is stranger than fiction". If I had a guy in the pilot asking if there were wildcards or someone trying to buy more chips after they hit a monster (like someone else mentioned), it would almost be too over the top. But it's hilarious that people do some of these things, must be entertaining for you guys.

Here is the latest draft of the scene: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gkz...1rIp3Y9vl/view. I'm wondering if it would be OK for the floor to pat someone on the shoulder like the floor does to Jony in my scene?
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:28 PM   #81
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I don't know how many dealers would actually ask if he was sent there, most dealers just assume he was and swipe him in. At least in the rooms I mostly play at.
I assume most rooms are like mine and new players come with chips in hand. Or I guess in ****ty parts of the world they are very lazy and make a chip runner do it? Everywhere I have ever worked/played, you go get your own chips initially.
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:26 AM   #82
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Jjjj are you trying to insinuate that the oversize chip rule is for tournaments only? Why? That rule applies to equally to cash and tournaments.

But given no chips at all online, it is certainly a part of the game an online to live player will not have experience with
Cash chips are usually $1-$100. Starting Tournament stacks contain chips ranging from $25-$5000 where i play. Where do you think the newbies are exposed when arguing about their raising with an oversized chip?

Are you insinuating that I insinuated ocr only applies to tournaments?
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Old 12-03-2017, 02:21 PM   #83
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Yeah, I was wondering about the dealer knowing. I might use the reasoning that the dealer saw Peter walk straight in, and might have them ask "Did you just walk in? You have to sign in." Also, that's a great line ("good we wanted him anyway") might have to use some variant of that! Thanks.
Yeah dealers usually don't know if a new player is next on the sign up board, so if a dealer is trying to do his job when a new player arrives, he'll yell to the sign up podium, "New player, table 5!" and whoever's at the podium or a roaming floorman/chip runner will either ask the new player if he's John Doe(to verify he's next on the board) or just give a thumbs up to the dealer allowing him to sit since there's no board and no other shorter tables.
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Old 12-03-2017, 03:59 PM   #84
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Cash chips are usually $1-$100. Starting Tournament stacks contain chips ranging from $25-$5000 where i play. Where do you think the newbies are exposed when arguing about their raising with an oversized chip?

Are you insinuating that I insinuated ocr only applies to tournaments?
Where I play cash, it is not uncommon for a player to be sitting 1000 BBs deep with plenty of greens, blacks and sometimes purples in a 1-3 game. You don't believe there is opportunity for the ocr to come up? Sometimes eve as an angle to test a noobs real strength. Toss the ole hundo out as a call and see if the noob snap calls the "raise" or even reraises.

You were the one to include the parenthetical "tournament". What did you intend to insinuate by its inclusion?
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Old 12-03-2017, 06:20 PM   #85
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Yeah dealers usually don't know if a new player is next on the sign up board, so if a dealer is trying to do his job when a new player arrives, he'll yell to the sign up podium, "New player, table 5!" and whoever's at the podium or a roaming floorman/chip runner will either ask the new player if he's John Doe(to verify he's next on the board) or just give a thumbs up to the dealer allowing him to sit since there's no board and no other shorter tables.
Would this be a possible scenario in the Wynn or Bellagio poker room:

-New player skips signing in and seats himself at table
-Dealer yells out at "New player, table 5!"
-Passing by floorman informs the player of mistake but let's it slide, checks player's ID
-Player slips dealer cash to buy chips. Dealer asks player for player's card. He doesn't have one, Dealer gives player chips.
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:39 PM   #86
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Where I play cash, it is not uncommon for a player to be sitting 1000 BBs deep with plenty of greens, blacks and sometimes purples in a 1-3 game. You don't believe there is opportunity for the ocr to come up? Sometimes eve as an angle to test a noobs real strength. Toss the ole hundo out as a call and see if the noob snap calls the "raise" or even reraises.

You were the one to include the parenthetical "tournament". What did you intend to insinuate by its inclusion?
Purples in a 1/3 game you regularly play, baaaaahhhhaaaaaahaaaaahhaaaaa. Start your stories w "once upon atime" from now on.
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Old 12-04-2017, 12:26 AM   #87
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Where did I say purples and regularly?
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:12 AM   #88
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Dude, I got this one. This happened to my girlfriend the first time she played live poker in the casino. She had played a bunch on pokerstars but never had to handle her own chips or had played for stakes as large as 1-2. I was sweating the session and giving her tips in between hands.

The guy on her right literally has tourette's and keeps saying f***, f***, motherf***** under his breath Throughout this entire story so just keep that in mind.

Her second hand, it folds around to her in the small blind. She folds because she's learned about preflop hand selection and the dealer can tell she's a noob so he says, "now sweetheart, you can chop which means you don't fold but you just give your hand to me. You can also just call because it's only 1 more dollar to you."

The big blind on her left who doesn't have Tourette's but has some anger problems starts screaming at the dealer, "she folded! You going to tell her she can take it back?"

Dealer says, "she's obviously new to this game and I want her to have a good time"

***hole says, "so she can take it back? So if I fold can I take it back?! I can just take it back too then because she's taking it back??!"

Tourette's guy, "f*** f***, motherf*****."

Dealer, "ok the action is here." Pointing at my girlfriend. "What do you want to do?"

Totally overwhelmed by this dude's crappy explaination, the angry guy screaming about her play to the dealer, and the Tourette's guy, she just calls the big blind to make it go away.

***hole raises to 25$ lol. Then rubs it in that she should have folded and tells the dealer off some more.

She folds, stands up and whispers to me "what the f*** was that? I almost started crying. And then that Tourette's guy was like 'f***, f***, motherf*****' I couldn't tell if he was calling me a f***. I want to go home."

I tell her to sit back down and she beats the table for like 120bb's

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Old 12-07-2017, 02:31 AM   #89
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Dude, I got this one. This happened to my girlfriend the first time she played live poker in the casino. She had played a bunch on pokerstars but never had to handle her own chips or had played for stakes as large as 1-2. I was sweating the session and giving her tips in between hands.

The guy on her right literally has tourette's and keeps saying f***, f***, motherf***** under his breath Throughout this entire story so just keep that in mind.

Her second hand, it folds around to her in the small blind. She folds because she's learned about preflop hand selection and the dealer can tell she's a noob so he says, "now sweetheart, you can chop which means you don't fold but you just give your hand to me. You can also just call because it's only 1 more dollar to you."

The big blind on her left who doesn't have Tourette's but has some anger problems starts screaming at the dealer, "she folded! You going to tell her she can take it back?"

Dealer says, "she's obviously new to this game and I want her to have a good time"

***hole says, "so she can take it back? So if I fold can I take it back?! I can just take it back too then because she's taking it back??!"

Tourette's guy, "f*** f***, motherf*****."

Dealer, "ok the action is here." Pointing at my girlfriend. "What do you want to do?"

Totally overwhelmed by this dude's crappy explaination, the angry guy screaming about her play to the dealer, and the Tourette's guy, she just calls the big blind to make it go away.

***hole raises to 25$ lol. Then rubs it in that she should have folded and tells the dealer off some more.

She folds, stands up and whispers to me "what the f*** was that? I almost started crying. And then that Tourette's guy was like 'f***, f***, motherf*****' I couldn't tell if he was calling me a f***. I want to go home."

I tell her to sit back down and she beats the table for like 120bb's
lol that's a good story. Again, too often, especially in a poker room: "truth is stranger than fiction".
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Old 12-07-2017, 11:20 PM   #90
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Just please promise me your character isn't go to win the 2004 Main Event. Would be unrealistic, and to me personally, very annoying.

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
OK I finally just got this joke. I knew you had won it Greg, just didn't realize it was the year after Moneymaker.
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Old 12-24-2017, 01:37 PM   #91
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Re: Help on scene in poker pilot?

Had a quick question about this dialogue exchange:

RYAN (VIDEO)
Yo! We still on to play tomorrow? Everyone’s waiting for it. Or if you’re scared, that’s OK too.
PETER
Nah, sounds good -- probably gonna have to lay your *****-ass some odds though.

Does Peter's line make sense? He's talking trash and basically saying that he's the favorite in the match.
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Old 12-25-2017, 04:01 PM   #92
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Re: Help on scene in poker pilot?

Just now seeing this thread.

Another thing a live newbie might do is try to make change for himself from the pot. (put out a 25 chip and take 2 5s back from the pot).

I hope your show gets made. I’ll watch it.

(Not really my first post. I lost my password and changed email addresses so I created a new user name.)
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Old 12-25-2017, 06:24 PM   #93
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How about this? The river gives your character a straight. There are some bets/calls whatever...maybe even he goes all in. His opponent flips over two cards but doesn't say anything. Your character, with excited anticipation in his eyes, flips his cards and proudly announces "straight". The dealer then pushes the pot to his opponent. Your character now looks crushed and confused...and the player next to him says "he had a flush".
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Old 12-25-2017, 06:40 PM   #94
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How about this? The river gives your character a straight. There are some bets/calls whatever...maybe even he goes all in. His opponent flips over two cards but doesn't say anything. Your character, with excited anticipation in his eyes, flips his cards and proudly announces "straight". The dealer then pushes the pot to his opponent. Your character now looks crushed and confused...and the player next to him says "he had a flush".
The character is a noob to live poker, but is an "online poker star". I doubt if he would misread the board/hands that badly (especially shoving a straight with a flush possible).
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Old 12-26-2017, 02:36 PM   #95
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basically saying that he's the favorite in the match.
Match? is it a heads up match or something? I didn't watch the video.
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Just now seeing this thread.

Another thing a live newbie might do is try to make change for himself from the pot. (put out a 25 chip and take 2 5s back from the pot).

I hope your show gets made. I’ll watch it.

(Not really my first post. I lost my password and changed email addresses so I created a new user name.)
Appreciate the example. I kept it simple in the scene, he walks to the table without signing in, then has no clue what a player's card is. Then his first hand, a guy flips over his cards on the river (without calling or folding) and points to him, trying to trick him into showing his cards.

Thanks! Probably won't, but you never know. I'm almost finished with the script and plan on posting it's finished.
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How about this? The river gives your character a straight. There are some bets/calls whatever...maybe even he goes all in. His opponent flips over two cards but doesn't say anything. Your character, with excited anticipation in his eyes, flips his cards and proudly announces "straight". The dealer then pushes the pot to his opponent. Your character now looks crushed and confused...and the player next to him says "he had a flush".
Thanks for the suggestion.

The thing I ended up using was the following: villain thinks he's beat, so he turns over his cards on the river (without calling or folding) and points to my character, trying to get him to show his hand. But a friendly character intervenes and signals him not to show. I needed the friendly character to save him so they could become friends.
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Old 01-06-2018, 02:07 AM   #98
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Match? is it a heads up match or something? I didn't watch the video.
Yeah they're talking on Skype about a heads up online match they plan on playing. This is what I went with:

RYAN
Yo! We still on to play tomorrow? Everyone’s asking me about it. Or if you’re scared, that’s OK too.

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Nah, sounds good -- might have to give your *****-ass some odds though.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:33 AM   #99
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He could ask if he can play at the table behind him when he's not in a hand, then be disappointed when he's told by the confused dealer he can only play at one table at a time.
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Old 01-06-2018, 01:50 PM   #100
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You might want to avoid the mistakes this series made, which lasted 9 episodes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt_(TV_series)

Personally, I think a far more interesting story would be of an internet player in 2004. Give him a family he is living with, a girlfriend, and online friends. How does he handle the isolation, the pressure from his family and girl friend. Have him bink a big tournament and how does he handle the sudden money. Most successful writers work with things they know well. If you have to ask anonymous people about how it was, you're probably not going to get the "realism" you want from a "The Wire" type approach.

Make sure to give me credit for the concept.
Mistakes? Tilt was awesome.
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