Not a slow roll but if the other guy shows in an all-in, I always show my hand as well. If he has the same hand as me, I will add a 'oh nice hand sir' as I flip.

A slow roll is fundamentally when you let a player think he is winning, just to rub it in his face that he isn't. Usually this implies that the other player lost, but it applies when the player chops as well.

Everything you described about your actions and mannerisms would look like a slow roll to the other player.

You explanation for why you didn't table your aces when he tabled his does not really make much sense.

The whole part about looking discouraged makes no sense.

You slow rolled him. It is not cool. If you don't have a problem with that, fine. It is not as bad as doing this with a flopped set, but it was a slow roll nonetheless, and I suspect an intentional one.

lol

It's my story. Unless you are reading (assuming?) my subconscious. I know the definition of slow roll, I said maybe I did. I don't have a problem slow rolling or getting slow rolled, but I've seen other players get angry at it, it doesn't make me angry...

I can continue my story even tho I'm a little shy about it. Right after villain says I slow rolled him, he says ''it's like that other guy'', referring to the old annoying man. He's like in his 70s, grey hair, rich. What villain is referring too, is a hand three rounds of table before.

It was on the river. I had 34 in diamonds. I had bottom straight. I was thinking about Las Vegas and the Mirage. I was pretty ****ing sure that the way the hand played out, the old man to my left had top pair of jacks no kicker. So I checked, planning to check-raise because I was thinking that old man would bet his top pair. But old man checks. Then he tables his jack no kicker, some other guy mucks, and I'm just thinking to myself what idiot I am to check the turn. I was like wtf, why didn't you bet the turn, he was calling you with his pair of jacks. While I beat myself up in thoughts, dealer pushes the chips to old man. At that point I say no these are my chips, and I table my cards and says I had bottom straight. Dealer says he already mucked the community cards. I told him alright, call the floor. Floor comes, talks to the dealer and goes to review the hand on the cameras. Floor tells dealer to give me the chips, and he tells me ''just flip your cards'', then old man is absolutely in rage about this for 3 hours to come, saying how bad I was because I'm a slow roller, I was just tired.

A lot can be read into your posts. And yes, the way your posts are written, and the subsequent details, lead me to suspect you slow rolled him. And the fact that you are unclear on whether or not you slow rolled him makes me think that your confidence in stating that you know what a slow roll is is misplaced.

The other hand, though, where you stared at your hand so long when you had a clear winner that the dealer mucked the cards makes me wonder if you always play like a jerk, or if you are really that clueless at the table and in poker.

Major slow roll. What a jerk.

I start to question if this thread is serious.

I often wonder if these kinds of people, who get off on slow rolling people and even outright habitual angle shooters, truly have a lot more going on and some much deeper issues that they should address instead of playing in a poker game (especially when they continue to brag about it on the internet).

Either of these could have been honest mistakes, but if you make them often you need to start paying more attention to the game and/or just turn over your f'ing hand every time and stop slowing down the game.

i love that players are concerned about giving away free information at a 1/3 game by [checks notes] 3betting with AA

Did you notice that he didn't know he had a winner in his second story, but he was able to act immediately and decisively as soon as the pot was pushed, to the point of having the presence of mind to immediately call for the floor and ask to go to the camera?

If the story is true, which seems doubtful, there is very little chance he was making an honest mistake in not being able to read his hand for so long that the dealer mucks the board, but can instantly realize that he had a winner when the pot is pushed.

In fact, there is very little about that story, the more I think about it, that seem sbeliuevable

Eh, people do space out occasionally. I've done it myself, and not showed a winner. Unfortunately, the times I did that I didn't realize it until my (would have been) winning hand had been mucked.

Chill is right, I was spacing out.

All these angry nerdy comments about me having ill intent are off.

Also, when the chips are pushed to the old man, I don't give a **** about a slow roll or not, these are my chips, and I know this for fact; and since old man wants to keep the chips and dealer doesn't know there was a straight on the board, I call a camera check for my cards that were never mucked. Like I don't give a **** if you think I slow rolled you, that concept is below the concept of chips goes to the winning unmucked hand, and whatever happens and whatever mistake does not givenhim right to the chips. So of course I call the floor, and I know for certain that the floor is gonna give me the chips.

What gives you that idea?

The guy sat there long enough with realizing the hand was over that the dealer pushed the pot to someone else. So yeah, he did not know he had a winner (part of reading the board is, you know, actially knowing that the hand is over. While this isin't what I originally meant, my original comment still applies)

I am about done with this thread, because it comes down to you playing like a jerk, then doing the classic 'I don't care if I was a jerk, those are my chips' while trying to justify how you weren't a jerk.

Bottom line, if you are comfortable with your behavior, you don't have to justify it to othe rpeople, but don't get pissy when you try to justify it and they call you out.

Go back to your original post. Note how you tried to portray the other player as a villain by talking about how he was pumping himself up. You wouldn't have done this, unless you were trying to justify an action that you knew was crappy. But if you are ok with it, whatever. Poker players are usually very good at reading subtext and context, and every single post you make puts your cards face up.

I vacillate between thinking that I would want to play with a player as lacking as you in what is going on, and not wanting to play with unpleasant players. Given that I now play mostly for fun, I think I am happy that you and I likely don't play in the same rooms.

So many nits ITT/on this forum. “I don’t show until I have to because that’s the rules.” Afraid to turn over losers and give away more info than you gain. You all sound like so much fun to play with. It’s not that serious guys. Especially at lower stakes. Show your hand FFS. Nobody is gathering info on you and even if they are they don’t know how to use it. God forbid you turn over a loser or a bluff and wind up getting more action. The horror...

Yeah it's a bit of a slowroll. Once the flop comes out rainbow there's no sweat. I don't know why you waited until the dealer to prompt you to turn your cards over. You're giving him false hope that he won the pot and instead he's disappointed with a chop.

In answer to the title of this thread yes you definitely slow rolled your opponent. It is a chop so whatever.

Personally I would have turned my hand over as soon as the flop showed there was no chance of a flush for either player.

I would not however have turned my AA over prior to the flop. If we somehow lose this all-in to a flush then there is no reason to show our hand. As it was they believed that you could have had a hand worse than AA.

When I am in a cash game and I am the player who has gone all-in, I always turn my hand over immediately. It is my obligation to show my hand first and who knows there might be a hand someday where my opponent misreads his hand and I win a pot I shouldn't.

Good luck trying to argue that next time when the dealer grabs your cards and mucks them because you space out long enough for the pot to be pushed.

mod: everyone quit it with the personal attacks. Future moderation will include temp bans.

Bro it was a 4bet allin pot, what exactly are you afraid of showing? Kings?

Some of us would rather not show unless making a claim for the pot.

This.

In general I don't like to show an entire table my hand unless I have to or if it suits my deceptive purposes. Even in a 1/2 NL game.

In this case it wouldn't matter because AA is in our all in pre-flop range anyway if I went all-in pre-flop with big stacks with KK or AK. But because I don't go all-in with hands like AK and even KK I won't 4-bet all in anymore (I keep losing to AA) I would rather they think that I could be 4-betting all-in with KK/AK or even QQ. So by not turning over my hand I am making it look like I could have a wider range than just AA. Of course I am going to be turning over the AA unless Villain hits a flush. So its probably not a big deal. But as an OCD perfectionist that looks to economize on everything (except maybe the number of words I use) I probably wouldn't turn over the AA until the flop was not double suited in Villain's favor.

Also, if I am in a 1/2 NL game because the 2/5 NL games are full for now then there could be some other 2/5 NL players there. There may be some excellent but poor players at the 1/2 NL game as well. The best LHE player I ever played against was online in like a 1/2 LHE game. He crushed the game every time I played with him (this was in 2006). I wondered why he was playing so low as I was typically playing higher and I finally figured out that he was from China. So what he was winning each session was like a week's salary or more at a job. In live games I played many years in 20/40 LHE and some 30/60 LHE and 40/80 LHE as well and I never saw a player that good.

I don’t really understand the purpose of tabling my hand if I don’t want to claim the pot? To keep the dealer busy or provide other players with a hand reading exercise?

Some will say “but maybe you misread your own hand and would have won the pot!” but that should be my problem and not yours?

Not tabling pre is fine, I would table, but fine either way.

Not tabling on flop when opp has already tabled and the only possible outcome is a chop is pretty crappy.

Having to be prompted by the dealer to table your hand once all the cards are out and your opponent's hand is tabled is super crappy and disrespectful to not just your opponent but the other players at the table. What could you possibly be waiting for at this point?