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Old 05-26-2020, 01:00 AM   #26
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

To answer the title of the thread: Yes.
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Old 05-26-2020, 02:18 AM   #27
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

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clearly this guy doesnt understand how poker works. once the casinos reopen their poker rooms, the only people wanting to play will be the ones who were in the habit of playing all the time anyway, (but with less money now to make loose calls) and pretty much the only other players will be those who need the money to live on. so more pros at any given table. all of the casual tourists wont be around.
In Vegas games will be worse because you are mostly dependent on tourists as the fish. I think in other parts of the country games will get better though.
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Old 05-29-2020, 10:42 AM   #28
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

Not being able to play poker hasn't changed my quality of life at all. Being unemployed, not being able to find work, and having just purchased a house is a lot scarier. Not being able to go out to bars and restaurants has probably helped my financial situation though.
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:49 PM   #29
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

I miss the money but I definitely don't miss most of the people I played with- especially brokeish grinders.
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:53 PM   #30
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

The last time I played live poker was March 10. After almost three months I guess I can post an honest answers to this question. First off, I don't miss poker at all. I have always been fairly active so not playing hasn't changed that one way or the other. The games at my local casino were slowing down in any event. I'm sure people were leaving poker for a variety of reasons. But whatever the reasons they were leaving. The folks left were a decidedly unsavory bunch. And before anyone states the obvious, I am well aware that those folks could say the same thing about me. I wonder if when live poker returns I'll even have that much desire to return. Are the only people left going to be the folks who post open the casinos at any price. . .I need to play. Who cares if the next guy gets sick. I don't really want to spend my time with folks like that.

And let's face the facts poeple: The live game is dying. I'm not saying it's going to disappear. That's foolish. But I remember when going to my local casino on a Friday or Saturday night was any exercise in futility unless one got there early. 1/2 and 2/5 lists were regularly 50 or 60 deep. This is not an exaggeration. The last years one could walk in at any time and get a seat after at best a short wait.

So to conclude. When the casinos open in my area and I consider it safe (probably not till the end of the year at best) I'll probably return. But it won't be with my previous frequency. I won't say my life is better without live poker, but it certainly isn't worse.
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Old 06-04-2020, 07:41 AM   #31
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

What area are you in? In Maryland the games are still good with waiting lists on weekends and MGM at least. But this is an area where people have a lot of disposable income and the casinos are in convenient locations. That said the action slows somewhat after a few years because no limit is so punishing if you are terrible (and deeper buy in structures can exacerbate that as well as people who don’t make the games fun). Back in the day with limit games it was rare to have a bad table, the games stayed good and there was a clear trajectory to move up from 10-20 to 20-40 to 30-60, 50-100 and higher. So if recs and regs got on a run they moved up, when they got cracked they moved down and even bad players could go on monster runs (before of course losing a lot). If you are horrible at 2-5 with 1k buyin it will be hard to win even a few sessions in a row unless you hit and run. But the poker players have spoken and prefer no limit, it is what it is. But while there are fewer games, games like 20-40 and higher limit, mix, etc. are still good and the players are more social, have fun and don’t get as irritated when losing. Depends how people want to gamble I guess. I play no limit now often but other games when I can like big o, high low limit games, sometimes limit hold em when available.

On the broader question, I miss poker and will be happy when it is back and I am comfortable enough to play.
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:49 PM   #32
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

Jeffage, I'm in the Chicago area. The two big rooms are Horseshoe Hammond, Indiana and Potawatomi in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. From my location Horseshoe is closer. All the better because Horseshoe is the better room. Potawatomi is really no fold 'em hold 'em, which is great if one can remain patient. But it can get frustrating when one plays correctly and is beaten by the guy who played 3/8 because it was suited. But that's poker, right? LOL.

All I can say is what I said above. There are few players coming to Horseshoe. I'm not saying the room is empty, just that the crowd is noticeably smaller. It makes me wonder what the room will look like when it reopens.
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Old 06-04-2020, 07:36 PM   #33
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

The other thing people discount is higher rake. When I started out in AC it was 4 bucks max and no jackpot drop. Now it’s 5+2 here in md. While the jackpot money goes back to players you probably won’t get it so consider it rake. That’s seven a hand coming off vs four in a game getting tighter as the years go by (and structured in a way to not punish tight play). Time games that are six or seven an hour jackpot are eminently more beatable. Or the plo games that are five max with no jackpot. Generally I try to avoid jackpot drop but sometimes I play it too. All of this is money out of the poker economy and it means fewer break even players let alone people who win significantly. And the rake can only go up whole stakes don’t go up to match. Tough cycle.
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Old 06-05-2020, 11:09 AM   #34
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

Im from Europe, so COVID restrictions are getting better, but its still not a lowed to gather more than 15 or around that people, and casinos are not allowed to work. How ever my local poker place organised a first cash game event since early march, so it have been exactly 2 month without live poker. The action was amazing two full 9 ring tables. We played 1/2 NL but everyone was super deep. People were drinking and willing to have a good time, so money was flying, a lot of players were playing ridiculously. I can proudly say that I booked nice winnings. Next monday we are playing again and Im super excited. I think this time put us in the situation where we can see from other perspective and appreciate things which was before guaranteed.
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Old 06-05-2020, 04:24 PM   #35
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

I miss live but online boomed, so the trade off is fine with me. I look forward to doing both at the same time though.
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Old 06-05-2020, 07:39 PM   #36
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

I stopped playing online bc Iím not a fan of only playing acr. Itís a joke
When they host great gtn mtts and then everything goes down during a series (Moss, oss, etc) bc they are too ambitious and run a bunch of tournies with kís of players and they canít handle it.

Ugh, I mainly play live mtts and travel for them so Iíve saved some vacation time from work and money from mtts I may have busted. Iím actually kinda happy about this break bc Iíve saved a ton of money in my 401k and personal investment accounts as I have played live mtts. Itís nice to have some time to build my life roll and saving now is easy as I canít really spend money at bars/ restaurants/ travel which is cool I guess.

I miss live mtts though. Iíll probably dabble in some online mtts soon and for rest of this year however Iím looking forward to live poker coming back. Iím hoping it can come back this fall or winter but honestly not sure it will. I wanna say parx is closed for poker the rest of the year (I think I saw that somewhere so not 100% sure). Iíll be worried if we donít have solid live mtts by next spring or a wsop Vegas next year. Highely unlikely but canít wait till live mtts are back.
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Old 06-10-2020, 07:29 PM   #37
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

No live poker has given me the time to decide what I really want out of the game. I am retired and a casual rec player. I play maybe 4 to 8 sessions a month. I usually just fooled around and played 1/2 NLHE with whatever disposable I had at the moment. Maybe win $100-300. Maybe lose the same. More of an entertainment thing than trying to make money to pay bills. Just the kind of player you guys love.

The shutdown has given me an opportunity to get serious about winning without the distraction of just playing for the social aspects of the game or playing with no clear goal. With the shutdown, I decided to get serious about studying and get a few hours in every day. Reading and Youtube videos mostly. I thought I knew something about the game until I started peeling the onion and found just how much I don't know. Now I practice calculating SPR, ranges, blockers, bet sizing and a dozen other concepts I used to just give a nod to. Found out I was playing too loose in some places and too tight in others making for a pretty hit or miss type of session.

I have never had a dedicated bankroll to give 2/5 NLHE a real shot. I played a few times just to see how it felt and was not comfortable due to being under funded. I did okay, but I would not consider myself a winning player. Break even at best. I was playing "scared money". There was no way I could withstand an extended downswing, so I didn't really care for the game with that in the back of my mind.

So, I had a talk with myself and decided to began building a bankroll since I have nowhere to go and nothing to spend money on. I am not tempted to stop at the casino for 4 handed NLHE, so a spur of the moment decision to play is not there. My goal is to build a $20K bankroll and really attempt to get my poker house in order with solid play and tracking my results. I believe most of my shortfalls are due to lack of self-discipline and not looking at poker as anything more than a diversion or entertainment. With all the social distancing rules in effect I have no desire to play short handed or behind a plexiglas shield, so if I don't play for a year, I'm okay with that.

Enjoy your day!
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:52 AM   #38
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

^^ Solid post!
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:58 AM   #39
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No live poker has given me the time to decide what I really want out of the game...................

.......So, I had a talk with myself and decided to began building a bankroll since I have nowhere to go and nothing to spend money on. I am not tempted to stop at the casino for 4 handed NLHE, so a spur of the moment decision to play is not there. My goal is to build a $20K bankroll and really attempt to get my poker house in order with solid play and tracking my results. I believe most of my shortfalls are due to lack of self-discipline and not looking at poker as anything more than a diversion or entertainment. With all the social distancing rules in effect I have no desire to play short handed or behind a plexiglas shield, so if I don't play for a year, I'm okay with that.

Enjoy your day!
Sounds like you're on your way/intelligent comments! Best wishes...
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Old 06-11-2020, 12:25 PM   #40
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Re: Have our lives been better without live poker?

I'm a purely recreational player that has been playing live pokers since 2006 (zero hands of on-line). I'm fairly certain I haven't gone more than 2 weeks without playing a session in that time, and I average about once a week. 40.5 hours shy of 5K hours at live 1/3 NL, at about 7 bb/hr (which has admittedly been dropping steadily over the years).

It's been 3 months since I've played a session.

Not sure if I'll get in another session this year. Casinos are last on the re-opening priority list here. And I'm guessing poker will be last on the casino priority list and who knows how long it will take to return to a form that I'd find enjoyable (the only reason I play in spite of the decent but overall relatively meaningless money I've made playing it).

I can appreciate what OP was getting at. I've been able to concentrate a lot of hours on a backyard project due to having no other recreational activity distractions. I've also enjoyed the more time I've been able to spend with the wife and last-stepchild-who-hasn't-left-the-house-yet; we cook and eat the majority of our dinners together, hang out, and have a TV show we watch most every night. As we're slowly returning to our more normal busy schedules I find that's the thing I'll miss the most about the pandemic times.

As for poker, in spite of playing it ~once a week / ~550 hours a year for the last 15 years, I haven't missed it in any burning desire / leaving a huge void sense. I simply miss it on the same level as the other things I'm currently not able to do, in the sense it would be nice to do. I'll happily return to poker when (if?) it returns in the form I enjoy, but it's not as if I'm anxiously awaiting a circled date on the calendar.

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