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Old 03-18-2020, 01:17 PM   #126
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re: General poker-related coronavirus discussion, argument, and jibber jabber

My local card room, the Naples-Fort Myers greyhound track, has closed their poker room "until further notice". Looks like I have no choice but to take a break from poker for a while.
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Old 03-18-2020, 02:45 PM   #127
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I've looked at so many links that I couldn't relocate the one I wanted to ... but if you review the article by Yahoo News from Saturday March 14th (What does the coronavirus do to your body.) you should get very good detail, in simple words, on how the virus can possibly progress.

It's basically a war within your body, which is why it makes perfect sense that younger folks are better 'equipped' to fight it off. Should the virus make it all the way into your lungs it may start to 'kill' vulnerable cells which can't be replaced ... that is the long term effect I was referencing.

Hope that helps ... GL
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Old 03-19-2020, 12:20 PM   #128
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I am still not concerned about the virus. I am concerned about our response to it. I wonder how many people don’t know how they’re going to pay rent next month?
QFT. No way to tell, obviously, but it seems possible that lives saved from corona via response actions may be off-set by lives lost to suicide, overdose, etc. driven by the economic impacts.

No win situation, for sure.
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Old 03-20-2020, 02:49 PM   #129
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Italy reportedly just lost 627 lives in 24 hours yet the whole country of China reports zero no cases in a comparable time period. I'm having trouble figuring how these can both be accurate.
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Old 03-20-2020, 02:59 PM   #130
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1- China did a much better job isolating weeks ago, so new people are no longer getting infected there. Italy is earlier in the curve, and did a much worse job.

2- china's data has been suspected of being faked for a long time.
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Old 03-20-2020, 04:27 PM   #131
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Italy reportedly just lost 627 lives in 24 hours yet the whole country of China reports zero no cases in a comparable time period. I'm having trouble figuring how these can both be accurate.
Scroll down to the charts for ”Daily New Cases" and "Daily New Deaths” on each of the links below to see visually what dinesh is saying regarding Italy being earlier in the curve.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/china/
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/italy/
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Old 03-21-2020, 03:47 AM   #132
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QFT. No way to tell, obviously, but it seems possible that lives saved from corona via response actions may be off-set by lives lost to suicide, overdose, etc. driven by the economic impacts.



No win situation, for sure.
See, and this is what I keep saying. Today, Trump said something along the lines of "we can rebuild the economy and get our Stock market back on track and get our money back, but we cannot get back the lives that are lost".

And while that may be true, what no one wants to talk about is just how high the suicide rate and the crime rate will be when after that $1000 check is gone and people are still unemployed and have no more money left and are in debt up to their eyeballs, WHO is going to bail out the hard working Americans???

It will be mass chaos and hardly anyone is thinking or talking about THAT!
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Old 03-21-2020, 12:48 PM   #133
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Amazing stat on CBS this morning ... in 1990 food service workers were at only a 30% clip of manufacturing workers. In 2020 they matched ... until last week. GL
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Old 03-21-2020, 03:33 PM   #134
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We went from 18 days ago people saying they weren't worried, it was no worse than the flu (and I am not including MikeStarr's comments) to considering projections of between 1 million and 2 million dead without considering them invalid.
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The majority of people in the US are still saying/thinking this. It's a shame the government is forced to take drastic blanket measures they have. Saying that you aren't concerned about the virus, while it may be true is a very self-centered way to think and the problem with American society as a whole. This whole attitude of,
"Well this is an inconvenience and there's low risk to me so why should I care."

If the government would've just taken swift action in the beginning w/ travel restrictions and testing so that we could've contained it effectively we wouldn't be forced into this lose-lose predicament.
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Old 03-21-2020, 05:10 PM   #135
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Anyone want a prop bet that Corona kills less than 500 people in the US this year? It will probably actually be less than 100.
288 so far and the graph curve looks more like a vertical line.

It would be a lot better for everyone if your post was going to age well, tragically that is not the case and in 3 months time what is happening now will probably look like a picnic for most people.
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Old 03-21-2020, 07:25 PM   #136
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I personally am not canceling my trip to Reno next week. Dont know if it helps but it cant hurt that I've had my flu shot. I'm also chewing airborne from now up through my flight home. I also wash my hands regularly and that's pretty much all I can do. I cant stop living just because of a virus which by the way there is a new virus every year that is going to kill us but doesnt.

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Old 03-21-2020, 08:06 PM   #137
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That's your quintessential avg American posting on Facebook take on this if there ever was one.

I'm surprised he also isn't taking essential oils for extra immunity and protection.
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Old 03-21-2020, 08:16 PM   #138
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My post was made almost a month ago before it got bad. If my trip were coming up I would cancel it. In fact I run 2 cribbage tournaments per year in FL and I've already canceled the spring tournament for the safety of myself and the people who travel to my tournament. At the time of my post I somehow felt it wouldnt get as far as it has. I mean just think back. Sars, Mers, swine flu, bird flu they were all supposed to kill us but never got as bad as they said it would so why should I have believed it would get to this?

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Old 03-21-2020, 08:17 PM   #139
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At the time of my post I wasnt even sure what coronavirus was. I thought it was just another flu type illness

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Old 03-21-2020, 09:11 PM   #140
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At the time of my post I wasnt even sure what coronavirus was. I thought it was just another flu type illness

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And you like many were not open to what this might be. So sure it was nothing.
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Old 03-21-2020, 10:05 PM   #141
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My post was made almost a month ago before it got bad. If my trip were coming up I would cancel it. In fact I run 2 cribbage tournaments per year in FL and I've already canceled the spring tournament for the safety of myself and the people who travel to my tournament. At the time of my post I somehow felt it wouldnt get as far as it has. I mean just think back. Sars, Mers, swine flu, bird flu they were all supposed to kill us but never got as bad as they said it would so why should I have believed it would get to this?

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It cant hurt that you have had your flu shot. And you are also chewing airborne. You also wash your hands regularly and that's pretty much all that you can do. You can't stop living just because of a virus, which, by the way, there is a new virus every year that is going to kill us, but doesn't.

So you should be fine.
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Old 03-22-2020, 05:02 AM   #142
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And you like many were not open to what this might be. So sure it was nothing.
And I'll ask again why I should have been? I'm 47 and I've never seen anything like this in my life and as I posted above I listed 4 or 5 other things that were supposed to kill us just in the 2000s. That's not even going into all the times the world was going to end on a specific day or y2k

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Old 03-22-2020, 05:50 AM   #143
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Honestly the American media is to blame for years of sensationalism and lack of respect for expert opinion. They present scientists side by side with pundits as equals. That’s what that type of attitude begets, people not taking seriously public health experts and instead asking Jerry Falwell Jr or a homeopathic doctor what they think.
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Old 03-22-2020, 11:49 AM   #144
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mod: Stay away from politics and similar controversial hot takes, or I will shut this whole thing down.
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Old 03-22-2020, 03:53 PM   #145
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And I'll ask again why I should have been? I'm 47 and I've never seen anything like this in my life and as I posted above I listed 4 or 5 other things that were supposed to kill us just in the 2000s. That's not even going into all the times the world was going to end on a specific day or y2k

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By the time you wrote that, the scope and definition of COVID-19 was already pretty well defined, and doctors and epidemiologists were already issuing warnings. It took a special kind of stubborn, a willful and deliberate act of will to say 'nah, I won't read, I will stay ignorant and assume I am fine, because even though I am bing warned, I ain't seen this before, so I can't imagine it is a real threat'.

By that time, I had already started e-mailing my friends and family to take this seriously and start buying provisions.

Grouping this together with other disasters that were averted (through alot of time and money) and having the attitude of 'nuthin' ever happens, so I will just ignore the news' is, well, not smart.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:13 PM   #146
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The casinos in China just started to reopen after being closed only 2 weeks. They're seating players at every other seat and so far the turnout is very scarce. My local casino in the states also announced only a 2 week closure, but the way things were looking I thought it would be closed for at least a month or more.

The Macau casinos reopening looks like there's a light at the end of the tunnel for us as well, but even if the casinos in the states open back up after a couple weeks to a month, I don't think we're gonna see as many recreational players, at least for a while. Just my guess, since the virus is still gonna be around for over a year, plus everyone's gonna be broke. I think pokers gonna take some time to get back to where it was. I hope I'm wrong but who knows.

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Old 03-22-2020, 08:14 PM   #147
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My gut feeling is that there's going to be a lot of premature reopening of casinos here.
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Old 03-22-2020, 09:11 PM   #148
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My gut feeling is that there's going to be a lot of premature reopening of casinos here.
I would 100% bet on that being true, but look at the graphs for known cases in china:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china

...two weeks ago china had roughly entered the flatline, past the inflection point by about two weeks. Now look at the US one:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

...so if casinos open back up here after only two weeks that will be a bad sign. To be fair most of the ones I've seen have not suggested it'd only be two weeks.
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Old 03-22-2020, 10:29 PM   #149
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My gut feeling is that there's going to be a lot of premature reopening of casinos here.
Agreed. I'm no Dr or biologist, but my guess was the beginning of May as the earliest casinos may safely reopen. As the days pass though, I think May 1st might even be pretty optimistic. As much as it pains me to say, anything earlier than that is probably irresponsible. It wouldn't surprise me to see Vegas casinos reopen in mid-April after their initial 30 day shutdown is over though.

I want to get back to my normal routine as badly as anyone else, and that includes live poker 4-5 days per week, but I don't want a situation where places reopen too soon and then we're forced to repeat what we're currently going through.
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Old 03-23-2020, 01:04 AM   #150
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There is evidence to suggest that Corona's higher death rate (compared to the flu) is very much related to the fact that the majority of Corona cases are in areas of China where sanitary conditions are poor.
You're living in the past thinking China's major cities have poor sanitary conditions.

As of today China's COVID death rate is 4%.

Italy 9%
Spain 6%

Italy had 651 COVID deaths yesterday. China had 33. China's population is 1.4B, Italy 60M.

But MikeStarr seems to have disappeared from this thread.
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