Now of course I know for the live poker scene, there are many fish to be found at almost all times and games should be beatable if you are a strong player even with insanely high rake.

I was just wondering what some people thought of this game and how beatable it really is. 1/2 NL, 10% rake capped at $9 + $2 BBJ every hand.

I'm assuming given that I tip $1 or $2 for roughly every pot I win that can be $12 for any pot over $90. This is probably the highest rake that I've come across and given that over one medium to long session, I can easily be paying upwards of half my original buy-in in just rake.

I know that game quality is a huge factor, games are pretty decent, nothing insane but in terms of my hourly, this seems to be a killer.

As always, if players are bad enough you can beat the rake unless it’s 100%.

10% up to 4.5BB is a lot, but nowhere close to what you pay in some other parts of the world.

Talk to the Aussies. Or people trying to beat $7 rake in a 2/4 limit game.

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Its probably beatable if most players at the table are loose, deep and terrible and you are pretty good and never tilt. A table with a lot of weak tight OMC types probably isn't beatable at this rake. You will also have to tighten up a TON preflop since the EV of marginal hands goes down a lot given every flop gets raked 10% + $2BBJ.

That said, I don't think even with pretty loose bad players this game is beatable for an hourly that would be worth your time, so I hope your main goal is small +EV fun rather than grinding an hourly.

That was said perfectly. As previously mentioned, I understand any game can be potentially beatable. However, yes, my concern was if I'm in an ecosystem with mostly bad TAGs, then the hourly that I'm generating probably doesn't make it worth for the sake of making it a source of income.

Are you talking about Playground poker?

Players have to be really bad to beat this especially to beat it for anything decent

Think about what most good players can beat 1/2 nl for
Maybe 20-25 an hour tops?

And that's with often 4 dollar rake or 4+1

So if they win 3 pots an hour that's 15-20 an hour extra in rake plus easily another 150 an hour extra coming off the table in pots you don't win

So if it plays like a typical 1/2 nl game it's a waste of time.if everyone is really bad and sit deep that's a different story.

Stay home and run a $5 bill through your shredder every hour.

Result will be the same but you'll save on gas and car repairs.

Beat 1/3, 10% 15$ capped, 25-30 hours a week over a 9 month period. 9 bucks sounds like a dream.

Already responded to this thread, but made almost a 30$ hourly over a 9 month period playing about 20-25 hours a week in Australia at a 1/3 game with 15$ capped rake and 100bb max BI. Game wont make you rich, but it will allow you to grow a roll and progress your game for 2/4/5.

What's the max buyin? That's a lot of money coming off of the table every hand. It would kill the socal 1/2 games that have $100 max buyin.

Ever wondered what poker is like in Melbourne, Australia?
$1/$2 blinds
$50-$100 buyin
10% capped at $20 rake
$5 seating charge
Tipping is illegal

This game is only slightly beatable. Yours is definitely beatable.

100 BB, so $200 is max buy-in. Also a fair amount of short stackers in these games unfortunately. I'd say it is very rare to see an entire table buy in for the max

At this 1/2 game, how often do you see pots over $90? If the answer is often then there’s prolly enough action to be worth it anyway. If the answers rarely then the higher than it’s prolly not much different than a game with a smaller cap. Just keep in mind your win rate will likely be slightly lower (ex: if you average 1 of these bigger pot wins every 2 hours that’s a $4 difference over a 5+2 each time or 1 BB less per hour. If you’re only winning 3BB/hr that’s HUGE. Less so if you’re winning 10BB/hr, etc)

Hi all I see some fellow Aussies in here. Given we have now joined the ranks of the banned online, I'm thinking about playing at the local casino live on a regular basis but I too am wondering if our game is beatable in the medium/long term.

Local cash game is 2/3nl, $200min, $500 max buyin, 10% rake capped at $15.

I played one session recently and there is a lot of limping and calling raises pre, pots regularly get over $100.

It's really my only option to play now but rake just seems to high to beat.

There are so many of these threads that I'm going to publicly ask the mods to create a containment thread.

What’s worse to you, the number of threads on that topic or the number of pasta variations?

People overestimate the effect of rake on win-rates. Higher rake caps don't proportionally decrease your win-rate because not all pots are capped, and if they are you are in an amazing game and should be crushing. If people are right that their $5+$1+tip games are beatable for $20/h then this game is probably beatable for $15/h.

Just play and find out, IMO.

DAMMIT!

If you dont want to pay rake, you should start up a home game or find one in your area. Paying rake like that kinda stinks but thats what you have to do sometimes to have a game. When you pay rake at a casino, youre getting security and player protection/rules, youre getting a dealer, youre getting a player pool, youre getting variety.

Finally some logic. The 1/2 game in my room is raked at 10% max $5+$2 plus a normal $1 tip.

That's $8 for any pot $50 pot. This listed game is $5 for a $50 pot.
It takes an $80 pot before rake and tip is equal in these 2 games.
Over $80 pot and you start paying more.

How many pots are over $80? Actually that doesnt matter. It only matters how many pots YOU win that are over $80 before you pay more rake than you would in my room. All the smaller pots, you are getting off cheaper than you would in my room.

So either you are paying somewhere near the same rake as you would in my room or you are in amazingly loose profitable games that will make up for the extra rake. A really good player will massacre your game.

Putting it that way, Sounds good. Sounds real good. Deal me in.

Chill! I love hearing about take.