UTG+1(~$1200) opens for 30 gets 3 callers and Hero(~$550) calls from the small blind with 77 and big blind calls as well.

Flop: Kc7s2c

Checked to preflop bettor who attempts to throw out a $100 chip and a $5 chip for $105, but a white chip sticks in and falls out of his hand making the bet look like $205. Preflop bettor says to dealer i meant to throw out $105 and dealer announces to table if nobody objects he can take $100 back. What do you say as a player that just flopped a set?



What actually happened: two players in the hand but still yet to act say that they do not object and he can take it back, while one player who folded preflop says aloud that the bet of $205 should stand. I also say the $205 should stand but without trying to give away too much information on the strength of my holdings. Floor was never called, the $205 sticks, short stack shoves over the top, its folded around to me and i shove as well. Preflop bettor eventually tank folds. My set holds. Was i in the wrong? Should i have done something different?

I would just let em take it back. i try to be accomodating to weaker players

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How is this not giving away too much information on the strength of your holdings? Of course it is.

I don't believe the dealer should be asking all the players how she should rule on a bet. It's up to her digression on whether the accident of the white chip was clear or not. If it looked like a clear accident, most dealers I play with would let you take it back.

I really didnt know how to play it, thats why i said i was "trying not to". lets just say if original raiser didnt say anything with the way the chips came out definitely looked like he meant $205.

I wouldn't say anything except that it's up to whatever the rules say. I would never say I think the bet should stand. So, yes, I think you were in the wrong, but I don't make the rules. Other players can do whatever they'd like. Just don't slow down the game!

like bigdave2304 said, i try to just be nice and accommodating to most players, especially rec players.

i think keeping a relaxed friendly vibe is just overall +EV for a poker game. especially action players/fishes much prefer a more relaxed vibe.

I would keep quiet about what I want and recommend the floor figure it out. Saying anything is almost saying too much.

Implying the strength of your hand should influence your decision is a really, really bad look.

I definitely understand this,which is why I am having so much trouble thinking about it after the fact, and wanted the forum to give me more insight. I am not a professional at all and wasnt attempting to angle or whatever but the fact that the original raiser didnt request an official ruling from the floor does show that he understood all the chips went in and that it looked like a bet. not that it matters but he was probably the toughest player at the table and seemed to be very experienced.

I don't understand. If he bet an extra white chip unintentionally then his bet is $106, or $105 if bets must be multiples of $5, which is common for $5 blind games. Are you playing somewhere where white chips are not worth $1? Everywhere I've ever played $100 chips are black, not white.

Well, it's tough to make an unbiased decision at the table where our own money is at stake, isn't it? That's what floors are for. The dealer should not ask the players this question, but call the floor.

Some places have blue $1 and white $100. I guess it varies but i usually see blue ones

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yes blues were $1, whites are $100 at this casino.

Let it go. It avoids giving any information about your hand and keeps the game more fun for recs.

FWIW, some casinos require a player object before the dealer has any option. I think that's silly, but there it is.

This is not the correct forum for this type of thread, should be in the live casino poker thread. Also i assume a white chip is a $100? (here white is $1)

I personally wouldve probably been quiet at first, but if no one else spoke up, i wouldve said something like "this decision is not up to the players, it is up to the floor, you need to call floor", fully expecting floor to properly decide that the bet is $205. and i probably wouldve let the dealer have it after the hand was over.

Correct and moved.

I prefer allowing the bettor correct to his intended action, as long as it's clear it was a physical accident and no one has yet acted afterwards. As dealer I call the floor, and as a floor I try to get that outcome if the dealer explains the action in a way that makes that a likely explanation for what happened.

I think "getting a read" on people during the bet is way overblown, but if the dealer describes the action like this, or if anyone acts on the 205 before action can be halted, then bet stands at 205.

Depends on which people.

People who actively steer the decision one way are easy reads. For example, I would have read the OP was wanting a larger bet to stand because he intended to go all-in and did not expect a call, so he was going to get pot+105 or pot+205.

People who passively steer the decision are tougher to read. For example, the people who shrugged and let him bet 105 may do so for a variety of reasons (maybe they will fold to 105 so they don't care if it's 105 or 205, maybe they intend to call 105 but not 205, maybe they intend to call either but prefer less, etc).

I'd rather let the $105 stand if there's a chance it'll get more callers, then shove

Without poker action following an possible accidental action, I'm in favor or halting action and clarifying with the player that made the possible mistake. Remember, player could have had top set and fake accidentally overbet.

As played, absent prior history, I'm keeping quiet until others have spoken, and then steering the dealer towards getting the floor to rule.

I'd like to think I'm doing this regardless of my holdings, although it's tempting to try to take advantage.

I'd like to think I would respond based on what I saw and not my potential gain, nor my feelings towards the other player (stick it to um). Being 'that guy' and then raking in the pot usually doesn't sit well with the table going forward.

I have seen where the question was posed to the table. I wouldn't let a player already out of the hand count towards the 'vote'. But it really should be like a straddle vote where even if one player objects to pulling it back then the bet stands.

I would hope that the Dealer would've just stepped in and pushed the chip back immediately and tried to move on. We obviously want to avoid a Dealer judging intent, but in cases where it happens they need to step in and be decisive. GL

I'm getting short stacked in a tourney at Foxwoods a few years back.
blinds are 1k-2k flop comes I got a flush draw and gutterball for a straight.

9 seat min bets 2k
I'm in 2 seat and call
3 seat in a soft voice says raise and tosses 25k chip in
7 seat puts out 2k
dealer gets ready to burn and turn
3 seat speaks louder and says hey I raised
5,6,7,8,9,1 seat say I didn't hear it
4 seat says I heard it.
floor looks like getting ready to rule
I really want to see turn cheap and could sit silent but
I speak up and say to floor I HAVE CARDS and as much as I want to see turn cheap He did say raise.
bottom line your hand strength or weakness should not change how you act at a poker table or in life.

Since bettor was first to act in multiway pot why would you object to betting the amount he intended? He corrected before any further action. What angle do you think he would be trying by dropping and picking up the extra $100?

And why didn't you flat the small stack all-in?

I would not say you were in the wrong, but when there was some disagreement between players the floor should have been called and the ruling taken away from players only. That would have been better IMHO.

I'm gonna take the cheap turn card.

If you flash your hand to me I'm gonna use that info and not tell anyone I saw.

Be careful, there's lots of players like me.

This is kinda one of those spots where I blame the player. If you cant speak up so people can hear you and you are gonna throw 1 chip in then you deserve to have your action misread. Dont ever throw a single chip in for any action without saying "raise" and looking the dealer in the eye and waiting for him to confirm that you're raising. Otherwise throw multiple chips in there.