I am strongly in the camp of showing cards anytime you feel it will give you a future advantage.

I regularly show a well-timed bluff to misrepresent my aggression at $1/2. I can very easily recall instances where it appears to have earned me a stack. This complements my style well (super tight, with almost no large bluffs) and also takes advantage of my opponents dreadful profiling ability. Show a bluff and hope you get a run of strong cards within the next hour or so. Some opponents will totally forget that you've been playing <20% of hands for the last 3 hours and will instead presume you are on a bluffing spree.

More specific to your question, showing strength can be used if you feel there is some benefit. If you want people to try to run you over, maybe? For me, this would be completely undesirable so I would never show it for an advantage. I do occasionally show for ego, but there is no real benefit for that.

I am not against "fold pre". What kind of had will you see the river with once you call with K-3? If the flush gets there with no A on board and he bets, are you going to assume he made the A high flush and fold?

Also, you are wrong in saying "unlikely to improve". Actually you have the nut low K hand. You WILL improve on the river. (Anything bigger than 3 improves your kicker, a 2 or 3 (or J) improve you to a boat.) Now will you improve enough? Will A, K, J, 2 or 3 should all be good cards for you (unless you think the OMC(?assuming he even is?) limped A-K pre.) Even Q, 10, 9 might be good though obviously those could fill him up and 10, 9 might still be out kicked or might complete his straight (as could an A.)

But to say unlikely to improve, what kind of run out where you hoping for? Once the flop hit you that hard, what turn and river would you continue with? Is there really a better card for you than a 2 on the turn (besides the obvious 3 or J)?

Showing bluffs probably will weaken future bluffs but will also probably get you some hero calls. So is your balance more toward river bluffs or river value bets/raises? And do you 'know' who your shows will and won't impact? And probably 5 more ?'s you need to understand before deciding to show in a particular case.

Me I agree that I very seldom show other than at showdown.

trying to show how smart you are usually results in showing how smart you are not.

This statement summarises my feelings on the situation!

I think my conclusion is this:

1. Fold pre.

2. As played, call turn and decide on the river. As one other poster said, if a 3, J or for argument's sake, anything above an 8 comes and we could be chopping. In hindsight, I suppose "OMC" could well have had AJ or even Q10.

3. I won't make folds like this face-up.

I do think it's worth saying, however, that I've seen trips vs trips happen a lot where the kickers make all the difference, and these kinds of pots can be very costly. In a 9-ring game, the chances of two players having trips, particularly in a limped pot, aren't that slim.

doing that is a death sentence for your bankroll. plus all those bad players that cant fold a big pair now see those that they think are good players making big lay downs. so they now fold more hands when facing bets and give less action.

This is a great comment, certainly one I've heard before when it comes to 'teaching' at the table as well.

As one to always look at both sides of things I think there are tables where less action can be 'OK' since, by default, it makes players tighter which can be exploited by a player who plays too many hands like I do.

Getting a player to fold KJ/KT on a K63 board when you c/r their weak Flop bet with TT and they think you flopped a set is 'realistic' at some tables. It's certainly up for debate here and not something to try 'all' the time. It's a live game move unless you really have some stats on a player's bet sizing online. You also have to rely on the player not really understanding that you probably wouldn't c/r with a set on the Flop either unless there are stack size considerations.

The green and red guys are here for a reason, best to pay attention when they comment. GL

yes sometimes you can make them fold a hand you want them to go out with. but much of the time they are dominat3d or drawing very slim. how about when they now show you a smaller flush and throw it away when they used to go broke with them, those kinds of folds cost you much more dearly than the times you get them to do what you want. and most of those times they call anyway.

generally you make most of your money from players mistakes of calling too much. much less from making them lay down a winning hand.

You get needled by old regs for being tight.
Now you'er laying down a big hand face up.

I'm implying that you're a massive nit.

Based on two posts about different situations (i.e. your only sample of information about me), I'm glad you are wise enough to make such astute reads on somebody from the luxurious position of your keyboard. Congratulations.

Just answering your question.

That's one of the reasons you don't play K3.

Were you aware that there is a way to figure out the exact chances?

Lol why do so many people on these forums write with such passive aggressive tones?

Even if you are smarter and better at poker than the person you are talking to, do you really need to be condescending about it?

Maybe that's something people should think about away from the sanctuary of an internet forum.

Maybe you should think about your own questions before vomiting them onto the Internet. Then at least the most obvious answers wouldn't be posted condescendingly.

I'll admit the answers are a little condescending but your question is "I flopped trips and folded without any aggression. Am I a nit?"

And while you can argue until you're blue in the face about how your two threads are different, the fact is that at another casino people have found you nitty enough to openly mock you.

Are you a nit?

I've never seen you play but the fact that you admit to making nitty folds and admit everyone thinks you're a nit probably means you're a nit. And there's nothing wrong with being a nit, a lot 0f nits make money, but for heaven's sake have a little self-awareness and come out of the nit closet.

The more you fight it, the more condescending people are going to be in pointing out the obvious.

Asking about the pros and cons of folding a hand face up - under any circumstances - I think is a fair conversation to have.

Fine, I'm a nit. Based on the fact I folded rags for a few hours and an old guy thought I was a nit, and I've now folded trips with a weak kicker. I don't understand the game well enough to NOT be a nit. I'm here to learn about poker and ask for advice without being treated like an idiot.

Not only am I a nit, but I am a fish. I have no shame in admitting it. I know everyone here likes to describe other players as 'fish' and I'm happy to wear the fish hat. I'm definitely self-aware about that.

Want a little piece of information that you may be ignoring here?

You need fish in the game if you want to make money. So you can sit on your keyboard and mock a guy like me who wants to learn about the game, and I might just decide "well, these guys are jerks, I don't want to play any more" and there's more money that you won't have in the game.

You need weak players like me to survive. And if I ask questions about the game and want to learn, I think that should be encouraged. If you just want to give me ***** about it all, why would I want to keep playing?

What you guys don't get is that you need guys like me around, especially right now when I don't even understand the game. Every time I sit down at a table your win rate should go up.

This forum is the exact opposite of how posters treat fish at the table though.

People who take the game seriously are nice to fish because they are blowing smoke up their arse and serious players try to make sure they don't teach fish how to play poker.

Here people will tell you how to get better at poker, they just have a tendency not to sugarcoat it.

Hard truths are a lot more educational than sweet lies. It's up to you if you react with 'well you guys are meanies' and leave, but you will probably learn more if you grow a thicker hide and soak up what people are saying.

Why would you ever want the loose fish that pay off with everything to see that the strong players are doing just the opposite.

Just admit that all folds of this kind are done purely because of ego. Then put your ego away and fold your hand face down.

Whats the point of checkraising the flop? Seems like a terrible play againat 95% of opponents. Check-call or lead out both make more sense to me.

This. You don't want the loose players to know that folding trips is even possible. Even showing bluffs is usually a very bad idea. Showing tight folds is generally horrible and should only be done if your image is very LAGGY and you need to advertise very specifically to make it look like you're only playing when you have the goods. Even then, 99.6% of the time it's better to do that at showdown rather than showing a hand you didn't need to.

Absolutely. So why do you spend so much time responding to conversations you don't want to have?

Take your time machine, respond to post #6 by MIB211, and not #8 with the emoji.

Every time I feel an urge to show without having to (at 1/2 or 1/3), I realize later that I was steaming or on entitlement tilt. Tilt being the operative term.

I'm pretty sure my hourly would increase, if I treated any impulse to show as a prompt to get up and take a break.

I'm not saying that I would do this every time, or even that it's the best play most of the time. It really would depend on how I read the other player and what I think their image of me is. Folding the flop is fine here. But I hate just calling the flop here and then folding to a bet on the turn.
If you're going to play a hand like K3, and you do flop a K in a multiway limped pot, you might as well try for the pot somewhere along the line. When you check the flop, and someone else bets out, and you just call, what are you hoping will happen on the next two streets?
If I do get into this situation with K3 on the flop (which I wouldn't from the SB, but could from the BB), (i.e., OOP with TP + very weak kicker, and no draws), and anyone else bets the flop, I'm either way behind (vs. a better K or better), or pretty far ahead (vs. a J or a pocket pair or worse), but with a hand which cannot really stand any pressure at all.... raising here forces the other player to make a decision about continuing, also to define their own hand.
IME, against a not-too-imaginative OMC type (one who's capable of folding here), and especially if I think I have a pretty TAG image myself, CR here has a good chance of getting a better hand (random K) to fold, or (maybe) of dissuading a weaker hand from betting me off the hand on the turn and river. Again, it depends on how I read the other guy, and on what I think he will think my action means (KJ?)....
Just my own thoughts......

Valid points. Duly noted. I'm definitely not reacting with the "well you guys are meanies" attitude, but I'm just saying on a purely social level - and I think this applies to every element in life, whether it be at your gym, sporting club, workplace or random conversation with a stranger - it makes more sense to treat an individual with respect. You don't need to berate somebody for their lack of knowledge or understanding. We're all at different levels. I'm definitely not taking things personally - I'm posting as 'genio27', purely anonymous on an internet forum, I could care less how people react to "me" - I'm just saying, it makes more sense to be less of a d!ckhead. Mind you, this is the internet, so there are people like to think they are legends on internet forums, but, ... cmon guys.

Anyway, enough of that.... I feel like I've wasted time addressing the negative vibes some posters put out there, when I should have actually acknowledged all of the good responses.

So, thanks guys for all the input. I really enjoy reading the different ideas and arguments you all put out there.

^ OK, Cool. And remember if you never show another hand ever , your game will not suffer much if at all.

genio,

This to me is the key statement of the thread.

I'm by nature a nit as well. I posted in your 'needling' thread.

Ray's statement ties in with the old saw that 'you have to give action to get action'.

Sometimes you have to hold your nose and get in there. You have to be seen playing hands.

You do that from the button or cutoff.

Opponents aren't likely at low stakes to remember your position when you played. Just whether or not you have been in hands.

If your money is too scared for that, you need a bigger roll.

Poker is a game of limited information, right? I don't offer any. I hardly ever show.

Bluffs sometimes win. When they lose, they are an investment in future action. Especially among regs, if you are going to be playing with them routinely.