5/10/25 plo kings room wsop

Board KT2,t,2

First to act seat 8 goes allin 725 into 1650 pot. Seat 2 says what a ****ty river and tank calls. Seat 8 shows AK. Seat 2 holds his cards up to show seat 8 his hand. AQT2. Seat 2 then puts hand face down and pushes toward dealer. Seat 3 says “i want to see that hand ; he showed them, show one show all”. Cards never come close to the muck. The dealer turns the hamd over and shows the table all four cards, then places them face down in rhe muck.

Floor is called and says while the dealer should have killed the facedown hamd first, and then shown the table a dead hand by placing the cards on t, that because the faceup cards were not spread flat on the felt, even while shown to the entire table and the dealer, the winning hand is dead.

Any thoughts? The dealer himself showed the winning hand while it was clearly stoll live to the entire table. But seat 2 never made the decision to properly table his cards.

Seat 2 did not table his hand.
He relinquished his hand to the dealer.
He loses (unless Seat 8 says that he was shown the winner and wishes Seat 2 to have the pot).

I'm really torn on this one. I'm a firm believer that the best hand should be awarded the pot when cards are shown. That being said, I also believe a player is responsible for tabling their own hand at showdown if they want to collect the pot.

That being said, rules like this are always room dependent. It all depends upon when the Kings Room considered a hand mucked. Is it mucked when it hits the rest of the muck? Is it mucked when it reaches the dealer's hand? Is it mucked as soon as it's pushed forward face down by the player? Every room has it's own rules so it's tough to answer your question without knowing the room rules

Not that it matters for the rule question but the river was a K not a deuce.

Board was KT2 rainbow turn T river K.

Seat 8 called preflop. Four to flop. He led three streets. Headsup on turn and river.

Any answer that doesn't involve taking turns giving player 3 paper cuts under his tongue is wrong.

IMO SOSA does not make the hand live anyway. Even if it was an IWTSTH request, it was made by a non-winning player, so the discarded hand is dead. Seat 8 wins.

Only way it would be live is if Seat 8 (the player in the hand) asked to see the cards. This is an easy one.

IMO it should still be dead even if Seat 8 asked to see the hand under the SOSA rule. It only makes the hand live if the winner asks to see a hand under IWTSTH, a different rule.

It's room dependent. In my room, best hand wins if it's shown under any circumstances.

Where is that? Terrible rule.

Seat two should be awarded the pot.

Room dependent I'm sure. Mine would rule it a fold and Seat 8 would win the pot.

A. Showing one player is not tabling the hand, and 2 did not show anyone else, unless I missed something

b. Doesnt matter, only wins if 8 asks for it to be tabled. As far as is it IWTSTH or SOSA, thats a matter of opinion and how the question was asked and what lead to the asking.....see a previous thread (sorry to lazy to look it up)

I would have awarded the pot to seat 6.

AND I would allow the paper cutting of 3's tongue.

Is that where you were sitting DJ?

If ever there should be a universal ruling this is it. A SOSA request from a non winner should never bring a hand to life. It was mucked even if some dealer procedure was not precisely followed. As others said easy one the mucked hand loses

Horribad where is this so I can avoid.

SOSA should never cause a tabled hand. And winner request is only way IWTSTH should. The only way your room rules make sense is if you do not have either of those rules.

Floor got it right. Tuff spot to be in.