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Originally Posted by Bats
Frankly, nothing like this ever happened to me before and I was totally confused and unfortunately did not press my case that the turn should stay. I honestly don't know what the proper procedure would have been if the premature turn had been noted before any action had taken place. The floor only seemed interested in what the very regular villain had to say. I do remember when she ruled for a new turn card that the villain explicitly did not want the five put back in the deck and shuffled so it might turn up again. I'm sure the 5H was put with the other burn cards and the remaining cards shuffled and a new turn and river dealt.
What I think (pure speculation) is that the villain is a dishonest jerk who initially didn't care that he thought the turn was dealt prematurely. The 5H didn't help him so he checked, but when I shoved and the button folded he thought the 5 gave me a set, and since he had no draw, he pulled a fast one to get the 5 discarded. It worked. When I've been at a table with him before, he always struck me as being more than a little bit shifty and I was glad when he left to go play higher stakes.
Like I said, I was furious at the time and two days later I still stew a little when I think about it, but consider it a lesson learned. One lesson learned was that I need to learn the rules about what should happen in that situation, and watch much more carefully, particularly when at a table with that particular regular.
If it was a simple premature turn, shuffling the card back into the deck and then dealing a new card is completely standard.
What is completely irregular is
1. Allowing villain to check (if it happened), then call for a floor after you acted
2. Keeping the premature card out of the reshuffled stub
3. Forcing you to keep your bet out there
Had the villain checked, and then pulled this crap, I would have no problem calling him a cheater to his face, loud enough to draw attention from other tables. Then I would calmly rack up, ask for the room manager, and leave, explaining why I would never be back, and who exactly was involved. Do all this calmly. Everyone easily dismisses an angry sore loser, but if you are very reasonable and rational, and do appear to be trying to get something out of it, the floor manager will take you more seriously.
Yes, rooms cater to regs, but they also know that if they get the reputation for being biased against new players, they will not survive.