Playing 2-5 at local casino. The hand is irrelevant in this situation since it's a question regarding a ruling. 2 players were heads up and on the river player 1 bet $200 and player 2 said call, tabled his hand, saw that he lost and mucked. The pot was shipped to player 1 and we continued playing. Roughly an hour to an hour an a half later player 1 asked the dealer to call the floor. Floor came over and he said he didn't think player 2 put the $200 in the pot on the river. Floor reviewed the tape and ruled that player 2 in fact did not put the $200 in and owed player 1 $200.

Player 2 agreed and paid, and finally one player at the table said what I was thinking... "What's the time limit to do that"? I'm sure it varies from casino to casino but I feel like there should be some statute of limitations on how long you can go back to review a hand. We played roughly 30-35 hands since the hand in question. Has anyone else experienced anything similar to this? I was actually a little shocked that they made player 2 pay since it seemed to be more of a dealer mistake to me.

The mantra in this forum is "once the next hand begins..."

I would imagine some Floors would try to rectify the error if a few hands had passed. Some would say, "Sorry, too late."

An hour and a half ... Player 1 was lucky that Player 2 was still around and had the $200 to pay him.



He lost the pot. He owed the money. (He agreed).

You think the dealer or the House should cough up the $200?

And the error was as much Player 1's as anybody's.

I don't think the dealer should have to pay. I understand they make mistakes. Just as player 2 did by not putting the $200 in. More curious to how long they should be able go back and review that.

Tough call. I say its a reviewable play as long as both players are still there. However be careful of setting precedents.

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Room rules apply, but this is common;

However, this is a fine opportunity to tell P2 to pay up or be barred from the casino. His choice.

What i think is that if this happens at your table and the losing player agrees and pays you should not open your mouth to question it..... the money is going where it should have gone and it doesn;t involve you. Now if you are involved that is a different issue....

He was not challeenging the hand or who won or how the hand played out. So this is a little diff. I have seen the vid reviewed for non poker rules things like this hours after. But as to poker issues likes was the hand tabled or not. The first rifff is it unless the pot is impounded waiting on vid re iew

Neither the OP nor anyone else "opened their mouth to question it." No one suggested that the floor was wrong and/or that player 2 shouldn't have to make player 1 whole. The only question asked was what the room's policy was with respect to the time limit for correcting errors in previous hands/pots.

It is never wrong to request clarification of a room's policy.

Guess they had good cameras and they were actually working well enough to help. Also good to have a floor that was willing to check it out after lots of time had passed. I think this is not always the case in many rooms.

By doing it right then and there he was challenging the ruling.

1-2 hands is standard.

The 1-2 hand ruling isn't arbitrary or because poker room employees are lazy. It's there because (especially in big bet) undoing the actions of that hand can often cause complications downstream. What if the money that he wasn't supposed to have was used to stack someone else? Or win "extra" money. Or what if he has gone on to lose that money and told himself that he would not get below a certain threshold because he needs that money? What do you do then? That's why there is a time limit that is frequently as short as the next hand. This is one of the most universal rules in the poker industry.

If I am the floor, I might review the tape just to find out if I need to discipline/coach the dealer. But I am not reviewing the tape an hour+ later in order to take money from one player to give to another.

This falls under protect your hand. Just as it is unreasonable to expect that action will be backed up if you do not protect your action on the flop and you make it to showdown without calling any bets because no one realizes you have a hand, it is unreasonable to expect that the floor should review a hand that happened and hour+ ago for the purpose of refunding someone's money from another guest.

You are correct about the common rule; however, this is not a ruling made regarding a pot. It is someone that failed to pay off a lost bet, so the bolded part is exactly right and exactly what I would do.

The 'bolded' part is where I'm going as well. Assume that a floor was willing to review the tape ... was Player 2 asked about it before the tape review (and agreed to it)?

I think my floor line would be ... "Player 1, by rule a hand is final when the next hand starts so we are unable to force a payment, we are sorry for not transferring the chips when the pot was pushed. Player 2 I am informing you that the chips were not paid at the time and you can either pay them now or you need to rack up and leave for the rest of the day (3 days?, not a full ban).

Although this would fall under a Player 1 and dealer error, expecting the dealer/house to cover the loss would be a very dangerous door to open. I have seen low level tournament entries returned, but never cash chips, due to a dealer/house uncorrectable error. GL

Would like to hear how conversation went between floor and security.

Floor: Can you look at a hand for me and see if player 1 paid player 2?

Security: Sure how many hands ago?

Floor: We really have no idea. Sometime in the past 2 hours.

Security: Ok we aren't doing much. Which player won?

Floor: The guy in the 2 seat with the big headphones on.

Security: Oh him. Yeah Jimmy and I have been watching that table. I think it's the only hand he has won all day.

Floor: Great thanks.

Security: Ok it turns out he wasn't paid by player 2. However our cameras are so good we noticed player 1 had a dirty stack and player 2 only owes $196.

Floor: Ok. Watch my back I'm about to go tell this guy he has to pay or be banned.

No time limit, if this is discovered after player has busted/left he still owes and faces ban

This is a common angle, more so in limit, and while it is also an easy enough mistake for player to make the dealer should be taking major heat for missing it in a nl game, where it is easy for pots to be 1k+ and scooper to not notice

Reviewing the tape much more than 24 hrs could be pushing it, but up to that not really controversial at all