Hi, my local card room has a rule whereby if it’s heads up otr and player shows the other guy his hand (in order to get a read before he makes a decision or whatever) then the guy who shows had his hand declared dead.

I played in other parts of the world where this is absolutely within the rules and you would see it fairly frequently.

What do you think? Arguments for and against? Or you don’t care either way?

Personally I like the option to give a quick flash to an opponent, but I wanna hear what you lot think

If it is a ash game. And heads up I have no problems with either player showing one or both cards. But if it is a tournament exposing cards may be due a penalty. That penalty should NEVER be to kill the hand though. The b st tabled hand should win even if prematurely exposed

I personally don't care much, because I do not do this, and I'm not bothered if someone does it to me.
However, I do not think it should be against the rules. This has been part of live cash poker in the US forever, it does no harm, and live poker has always been partially about picking up on (and sometimes stimulating) reads/tells from others. The modern trend toward sterilizing live poker isn't necessarily a good thing, IMO.

It's a dumb rule, but also a dumb action it's trying to stop. Hard to say which is more dumb.

In any case, if it's the room rule, then you have to follow it. If you don't like it, either try to get it changed, or vote with your feet and play somewhere else.

I'm sure all the other rules in that room are entirely fair and sane.

In a cash game it doesn't make sense to prohibit showing cards headup --- except to the extent that a jackpot may be impacted (in which case I prefer to void the jackpot then kill the hand).

However I would prefer a rule where a player who wastes our time with these shenanigans gets smacked in the face (because players who di this typically are wasting our time)

I think it's a terrible rule. There are no arguments for it. Arguments against it are that a player could mistakenly show his hand or be tricked into showing and have it killed by the rule.

Pretty much covered here already. HU cash game 'reality' is that it only affects the two players involved, similar to talking during the hand. Two players talking, even if a 3rd player is already all-in can influence that other player's stake in the pot.

As with any rule, the players just want it to be uniformly enforced from Dealer to Floor.

As a player I like to talk and I like to show cards. I think the happy medium is that one player should already be all-in before any card showing or serious talking can occur, regardless of street. This prevents deal making which CAN affect the rest of the table by having an affect on finishing chip stacks between the two players in the hand.

I just witnessed a talking event PF in a casino where a player with AA was honestly trying to get another reg to fold his KK when they only had 20% of their stacks in. The KK guy wanted to go for the BBJ and the AA guy was trying to tell KK guy how he never soft plays him!

3 hands later AA guy sits stone quiet after shoving his draw into short-stacked QQ guy, not offering one peep about the BBJ or anything .. but he doesn't soft play his buddy, no sir! GL

I'm trying to get better at not jumping on typos and grammar mistakes. But in this case it really changes the meaning of what I think you mean. It should be "than kill the hand", correct?

Yes, and when my secretary gets back he's going to get an earful


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I'll give you one: it is usually a colossal waste of time and just leads to the player showing his cards to talk incessantly about his hand and whether he should fold or call. Ninety percent of the time he's folding his hand regardless. I hate sitting at the table while this ridiculous scenario plays out to its inevitable conclusion. I'd love a rule in my room that prohibits this b.s. from occurring.