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Etiquette question. Etiquette question.

06-05-2018 , 05:07 AM
$1-$3 game. I’m printing money. Guy to my right calls a bet of like $15 on a flop by tossing in a green chip. I have a ton of red chips. I offer five of them to him for that green to speed things up. Dealer happened to overhear it, took my five red chips, gave the man his change and gave me the green. He then starts bitching about that being bad poker etiquette. The green should’ve stayed in the pot. I told the guy he got the same change ($10) anyhow and he was gonna kiss that green chip goodbye anyhow because he’s gonna lose the pot like he has every pot he’s been in (which he did).
Is it bad etiquette for a dealer to give you large denomination chips out of the pot as opposed to their rack in exchange for smaller checks?
06-05-2018 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by russianbear13
$1-$3 game. I’m printing money. Guy to my right calls a bet of like $15 on a flop by tossing in a green chip. I have a ton of red chips. I offer five of them to him for that green to speed things up. Dealer happened to overhear it, took my five red chips, gave the man his change and gave me the green. He then starts bitching about that being bad poker etiquette. The green should’ve stayed in the pot. I told the guy he got the same change ($10) anyhow and he was gonna kiss that green chip goodbye anyhow because he’s gonna lose the pot like he has every pot he’s been in (which he did).
Is it bad etiquette for a dealer to give you large denomination chips out of the pot as opposed to their rack in exchange for smaller checks?

No.....But it is bad etiquette for you to be telling this guy that he's gonna be losing the pot.
06-05-2018 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Katman
No.....But it is bad etiquette for you to be telling this guy that he's gonna be losing the pot.
I was just keeping it real.
06-05-2018 , 06:07 AM
Not bad etiquette, but also usually not necessary and it probably slowed things down a bit.

Definitely bad to fire back at him like that if you want to keep him at the table. Just say sorry and move on. You accidentally triggered some superstition or reminded him that he lost all his reds.
06-05-2018 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Katman
No.....But it is bad etiquette for you to be telling this guy that he's gonna be losing the pot.
That is correct. Hopefully you won't do that in the future.
06-05-2018 , 07:56 AM
Probably not a good idea to do this with a green chip during a hand, even in a 1/2-1/3 game ... and certainly the commentary is not necessary, even if you were still in the hand and turning his crank.

If I think the Dealer will need some help making change during a hand I will hold some chips out near the betting line and let the Dealer decide if they want to use my chips or some other method to make change. Typically this only needs to be done if a player uses a high denom chip like a $100 in a 2/5 game or a $500 in a 5/10 game when the pot is small or already littered with high denom chips.

If you want to collect high denom chips, then do it between hands. GL
06-05-2018 , 08:54 AM
Yeah, you shouldn't touch the money in the pot. There's enough money bet for the dealer to give him change, so just leave it alone next time, and your mouth is going to get you into bigger problems down the road I can assure you.
06-05-2018 , 09:29 AM
I'm always amazed at the people who post etiquette, rules, slowplay, etc... "questions" as a way to show off their insult game.

I do find it refreshing that 100% of the replies are often letting the OP know his insults aren't funny, needed or appropriate.

Well done by 2P2er's.
06-05-2018 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by russianbear13
$1-$3 game. I’m printing money.
Doubtful.

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Originally Posted by russianbear13
red chips. I offer five of them to him for that green to speed things up..
You're not helping. Don't touch other people's chips.

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Originally Posted by russianbear13
and he was gonna kiss that green chip goodbye anyhow because he’s gonna lose the pot like he has every pot he’s been in (which he did).
06-05-2018 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by russianbear13
I was just keeping it real.
Another example of “when keeping it real goes wrong”.

Tapping the tank 101, and just being a dick.
06-05-2018 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by russianbear13
$1-$3 game. I’m printing money. Guy to my right calls a bet of like $15 on a flop by tossing in a green chip. I have a ton of red chips. I offer five of them to him for that green to speed things up. Dealer happened to overhear it, took my five red chips, gave the man his change and gave me the green. He then starts bitching about that being bad poker etiquette. The green should’ve stayed in the pot. I told the guy he got the same change ($10) anyhow and he was gonna kiss that green chip goodbye anyhow because he’s gonna lose the pot like he has every pot he’s been in (which he did).
Is it bad etiquette for a dealer to give you large denomination chips out of the pot as opposed to their rack in exchange for smaller checks?
No, it's not bad etiquette by the dealer to do this.
But it is bad etiquette by you to touch chips in the pot, and especially to taunt the other guy (which is dumb, and a sign of inexperience, as well as rude).
06-05-2018 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Reducto
Not bad etiquette, but also usually not necessary and it probably slowed things down a bit.

Definitely bad to fire back at him like that if you want to keep him at the table. Just say sorry and move on. You accidentally triggered some superstition or reminded him that he lost all his reds.
+1. I'm cringing more from the perspective of losing him as a customer just to stroke your ego or "keep it real".
06-05-2018 , 10:57 AM
I reread the OP and it occurred to me that you weren't even in this hand? If so yeah bad etiquette on both ends of it. If you're in the hand sitting next to him and give him 10 of your 15 and then push the green and 1 red to the dealer, then fine. But you're not in the hand so stay out of it with the chips and keep your mouth shut, especially in the middle of a hand that you're not in.
06-05-2018 , 11:10 AM
Everything that happened here was 100% unnecessary and is exactly the kind of behavior that drives bad players out of the poker room. Nobody is being an ass to them at the craps or roulette tables.

Reading threads like that and your first response is just plain frustrating.
06-05-2018 , 11:19 AM
OP , don't do that! Thanks!
06-05-2018 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by russianbear13
$1-$3 game. I’m printing money. Guy to my right calls a bet of like $15 on a flop by tossing in a green chip. I have a ton of red chips. I offer five of them to him for that green to speed things up. Dealer happened to overhear it, took my five red chips, gave the man his change and gave me the green. He then starts bitching about that being bad poker etiquette. The green should’ve stayed in the pot. I told the guy he got the same change ($10) anyhow and he was gonna kiss that green chip goodbye anyhow because he’s gonna lose the pot like he has every pot he’s been in (which he did).
Is it bad etiquette for a dealer to give you large denomination chips out of the pot as opposed to their rack in exchange for smaller checks?
Wow you have terrible poker etiquette and I'm not talking about changing the chip. What you said is out of line and the kind of thing that gets you punched in the face by guys a lot harder than you.

And yeah it's bad etiquette to change the chip like that.

You come off like a real jerk OP.
06-05-2018 , 01:27 PM
I hate you guys that appoint yourselves to help the Dealer run the game. You always say you are trying to "speed things up" when in fact you just confuse things and cause the game to get bogged down.

Let the Dealer run the game. Don't make change. Don't pull in the blinds. Don't move the button. Stay out of it. It's not your job. You're making it worse, not better. Let the Dealer run the game.
06-05-2018 , 01:28 PM
I didn’t touch anything. I held out five chips toward him and said something along the lines of, “Here’s five reds for your green” or something like that. The dealer heard this and grabbed my five red, tossed two toward him, and gave me the green. I didn’t touch a thing. The guy then asked what happened. The dealer told him she gave him his change and gave me the green chip. The guy then asked me if I’ve ever played poker before. I told him no, this was my first time. Then he began to insult me, told me I was stupid, and that’s bad etiquette. I told him to take it up with the dealer as she’s the one who did it. She even said to him to be angry with her as she is the one who made the change that way. He wouldn’t let it go. That’s when I told him he was never gonna see that chip again.
Maybe if you judgemental internet tough guys had actually red my original post you’d see I didn’t reach into the pot. Reading comprehension. Try it.
06-05-2018 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
I hate you guys that appoint yourselves to help the Dealer run the game. You always say you are trying to "speed things up" when in fact you just confuse things and cause the game to get bogged down.

Let the Dealer run the game. Don't make change. Don't pull in the blinds. Don't move the button. Stay out of it. It's not your job. You're making it worse, not better. Let the Dealer run the game.
100% this.
06-05-2018 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by russianbear13
I didn’t touch anything. I held out five chips toward him and said something along the lines of, “Here’s five reds for your green” or something like that. The dealer heard this and grabbed my five red, tossed two toward him, and gave me the green. I didn’t touch a thing. The guy then asked what happened. The dealer told him she gave him his change and gave me the green chip. The guy then asked me if I’ve ever played poker before. I told him no, this was my first time. Then he began to insult me, told me I was stupid, and that’s bad etiquette. I told him to take it up with the dealer as she’s the one who did it. She even said to him to be angry with her as she is the one who made the change that way. He wouldn’t let it go. That’s when I told him he was never gonna see that chip again.
Maybe if you judgemental internet tough guys had actually red my original post you’d see I didn’t reach into the pot. Reading comprehension. Try it.
Look at it from his point of view. He is concentrating on the hand, out of the blue somebody not involved is jumping into the action with a handful of chips, all of a sudden his Green is in your stack and wtf just happened?

Just stay out of it. Let the Dealer run the game. All of his bad behavior stemmed from your breech of basic poker etiquette. This doesn't mean he's not a doorknob, because he obviously is, but it's still your fault. If you'd minded your own business none of it would have happened.
06-05-2018 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by russianbear13
I didn’t touch anything. I held out five chips toward him and said something along the lines of, “Here’s five reds for your green” or something like that. The dealer heard this and grabbed my five red, tossed two toward him, and gave me the green. I didn’t touch a thing. The guy then asked what happened. The dealer told him she gave him his change and gave me the green chip. The guy then asked me if I’ve ever played poker before. I told him no, this was my first time. Then he began to insult me, told me I was stupid, and that’s bad etiquette. I told him to take it up with the dealer as she’s the one who did it. She even said to him to be angry with her as she is the one who made the change that way. He wouldn’t let it go. That’s when I told him he was never gonna see that chip again.
Maybe if you judgemental internet tough guys had actually red my original post you’d see I didn’t reach into the pot. Reading comprehension. Try it.
if there is enough to make change in the pot and I toss in a green I expect it to stay in the pot as I want it back when I win
if this was the case then you are a douche

if the dealer asks a player to break it because not enough is in the pot then that's a different issue
06-05-2018 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by russianbear13
Maybe if you judgemental internet tough guys had actually red my original post......
You spelled judgmental incorrectly as well.

And.....you asked a question in your OP. We answered with our best judgment.

The last post....LOL, backtrack much?
06-05-2018 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by snowman
if there is enough to make change in the pot and I toss in a green I expect it to stay in the pot as I want it back when I win
This may be a tell. If the greens weren't being used very often in the game then someone that tosses one out....believes he will be getting it back.
06-05-2018 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
This may be a tell. If the greens weren't being used very often in the game then someone that tosses one out....believes he will be getting it back.
never thought about that
will have to test that on a reverse against some regs who may be aware enough to see this
thanks
06-05-2018 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by russianbear13
I didn’t touch anything. I held out five chips toward him and said something along the lines of, “Here’s five reds for your green” or something like that. The dealer heard this and grabbed my five red, tossed two toward him, and gave me the green.
What you did was fine. He either wants your change or he doesn't. The dealer should not get involved. If he says no, the dealer makes change for him out of the pot. If he says yes, he takes the red and gives you the green. Dealer stays out of it.

As for your comments, you do you.
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