I was playing in a tournament yesterday down to 11 players (with a pay jump and final table at 10). A short stack was tanking almost every hand. TD was called and he was put on the clock and warned not to continue doing it. So far so good.

Here is where it takes a strange turn (in my mind).A few hands later (still 11) he takes about 1 minute to think about things and the TD who was watching the table comes over tells him his hand is dead and that he has a 1 round penalty. No warning that if he continued he would be given a penalty. I looked at the clock after he had taken around 30 seconds and it was 40 seconds more before his hand was declared dead.

I am all for speeding up play but the penalty seemed extreme. If I was TD I think I would have told him he was a clock as soon as he looked at his cards or maybe play hand for hand until the final table is reached.

If it matters has showed ten's into a raised pot so maybe he did have a hard decision to make.

After warning, he should have been walking on eggshells.

People make decisions in 15 secs or less online. There's no reason live decisions would be 5x slower.

So yes.

That is so ****ing amazing I would actually make the effort of playing there if it was somewhat close to me. Give that TD a medal. He recognized scum like that can be annoying while playing 100% according to the rules, so he showed him this crap was no longer going to be allowed.

It's the players fault. If he wasn't tanking every hand he wouldn't have been in that position. He was warned about it before hand

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He was already warned. One warning is sufficient. How did we get to the point where poker players think they’re supposed to get multiple warnings before being penalized? Great job by the TD

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Does not compute

Not any more, now he won't bust for at least round

The penalty is obviously excessive. That said, you can’t complain that you haven’t been warned. You and everyone else at the table learnt a lesson, I bet there wasn’t much tanking the rest of the way..

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If I was the TD I would have gone hand-for-hand before his tanking got too far out of hand. I don't think the penalty is terribly excessive. He basically put a clock on him himself which is fine to do.

I would rather see the hand play out and then the round penalty.

TD killing his hand maybe saves him from busting out that hand.

He was warned.

It does not matter.

It makes perfect sense, to me.

The ruling seems very punitive to me. I mean it may sound great, but it’s also outside of the rules and unnecessarily influences the action of the hand.

The one round penalty is good.

Killing the hand without any clock, even an abbreviated one of ~10 seconds, is lolbad and just vindictive from the floor. Penalty afterwards is fine. Sure, maybe the guy actually had a decision this time. If so, he's just the boy who cried wolf.

I can only assume he was put on the clock for 'that' hand only? If not, who was administering the clock each hand ... a TD from across the room? If so, what were the other conditions of the warning, if any?

A TD should never just come over and declare a live hand dead. He should've come over and explained to the Player he was on an abbreviated clock and start a count down from 10 or 15 seconds.

I have seen where a Player was clocked every hand PF for 30 seconds due to excessive tanking. A one round penalty is a bit stiff unless it was explained during the initial warning.

Not sure the exact scenario, but the TD 'should've' looked at the holding when the warning was given the first time around to establish the conditions of the warning, if possible.

I understand the 'cry wolf' comments, but as you can see IMO the TD has crow to eat for letting his emotions get in the way of a better solution ... again, unless there were more specific conditions established in the first warning .. which I doubt there were since OP has not included them.

I 100% agree that the Player put themselves into a bad spot for when they actually had a hand/decision, but that is not an excuse for the TD to fly in from the sidelines 'unannounced' and promptly kill a hand. GL

Having the floor look at a player's hand to determine a ruling is a bad idea is so many ways.

No, that ruling doesn't make sense to me. I think the player is at least deserving of an abbreviated clock before the hand is killed. A round off on top of that seems excessive.

I thought a lot of tourneys went hand for hand when getting to that point. Saves the headache of the perpetual tanker, as there is no advantage to stalling.

I don't like staff killing a live hand for any reason I can think of. I'm not very creative however so I concede there may be an occasional reason.

I don't see why they can't just put him on a ten second clock like the WSOP, or go hand for hand. It is the bubble. It's not the entire tournament.

I don't like a penalty for a player delaying the game on the bubble when s/he can be placed on the clock. But I do respect the attempt to continue the game. I just think if the player was acquainted with staff he'd not get a penalty, so it's ripe for special tx.

I agree; I have seen a floor come over and announce that a player had 10 seconds to act or his hand would be dead. Much better than insta-killing the hand.
I don't have a problem with the 1 round penalty; a bit harsh, but player had been warned and this kind of behavior needs to be discouraged.

He was warned. Nevertheless, he persisted.

Good idea to penalize him, bad idea to kill his hand.

+1
the guy got warned and ignored the warning
if you want to stop this nonsense then people need to be penalized

as for him having a hard decision- too bad so sad. it's another reason to to waste time tanking all the time. if you play at a reasonable pace and have a tough decision people understand. when you tank all the time don't expect that respect when you have an actual decision.

Putting a big pay jump at this exact point in the structure is a bad idea.

We saw the exact same problem come up in the WSOP Main Event a few years back (where Negreanu went out in 11th)...the WSOP put a huge jump between 10th and 11th, and it led to horrible stalling at one of the final two tables. But the WSOP recognized it’s mistake after one year and changed the prize structure the next year.

Why was he tanking so long every hand?

I did this one time to try and squeeze into the money but now that i'm older I regret doing it.

I think I like this TD.