Playing PLO at a casino where HU, showing cards is permissible.

At the river, two players are HU and the board reads KcTs8c6c2c. Player A pots. As player B is contemplating, he says, "well, I have two pair ...." and shows T8. He continues staring at A trying to get a read. Finally, B says, "I have to call," and puts two big stacks into the pot.

Player A turns over ThTdQdQs for a set and says nothing.
Right after A turns over his hand, player B turns over 79 (his T8 still being exposed) and says nothing.

Player A starts to count his stack (he has less than B) and we can't figure out why. About 45 seconds pass before we realize A thinks he had won. B then says he had a straight. A looks confused and then B points out the straight.

A accuses B of slowrolling because he didn't announce the straight.
B immediately tabled his cards right after A had done so, but didn't announce anything verbally.

Slow-roll, or not?

not a slow roll. not even close to a slow roll

Obv. not a slow roll. A complained that B didn't announce his hand after he didn't announce anything himself?

It doesn't seem like a slow-roll technically since he turned them over properly. But it's pretty scummy.

I don't think it was scummy. At worst it was an amateurish move trying to get a read. As long as exposing cards heads up is allowed in this room it's fair game, though.

Only read the thread title.

I don't care if it is or not. And neither should you.

Why did 45 seconds go by without the dealer announcing that player B has a straight or at least that he has the winning hand?

Yeah, what was the dealer doing for 45 seconds?

Probably trying to figure out why Player A was messing with his chips.

This is not a slow roll

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Not a slow roll.

My experience with Omaha players is that when players turn their cards over without saying anything, if the dealer hasn't correctly identified and announced the winner within five seconds tops, they go bat**** crazy at the dealer. It's hard to imagine the whole table sitting there quietly for 45 seconds.

But since the "roll" in slow roll is about rolling your cards over, and the player did that right away, it's not a slow roll.

Not exactly a slow roll, just a douchebag. Kinda like when someone says "I only have two pair", then after opponent tables a full house, slowly turns over his quads.

If that's not exactly a slowroll, what is a slowroll, in your opinion?

He only misdeclared his hand when he was still deciding on a call or fold, it is in no way similar to someone saying 2 pair when they have quads.

1 he immediately tabled hand
2 he did not have the nuts

It is not a slowroll.

Not a slowroll, not scummy.

whenever i play poker the dealer usually announces the winner and sometimes pushes the "winning hand" up on the board within 5 seconds.

weird, 45 seconds is a long time for everyone to be sitting there doing nothing...

What was the dealer doing during the 45 seconds?

I guess I generally just consider it a slowroll when someone isn't showing in turn. But it's all douchey, including this situation.

a slow roll is waiting and letting or implying that the other player won the hand then showing the real winner.

showing in turn without a long wait is never a slowroll. unless he first miscalls his hand.

if someone complains just tell them poker is a game of rules and the rule is to play in turn.

This was asked a couple of times in the thread and I neglected to answer. After the hands were tabled, A thought he had won and moved his chips slightly back toward himself and then started counting his chips. We now know he was doing this because B had him covered and he was counting to see how much A owed him (still thinking he had won). B started counting his chips because he wasn't sure that he did in fact have A covered.

The dealer had pushed up the winning board cards, but A was too focused on his chips.


A has also done stuff like, if he had 315, would give the winner 15, and then pull 3 blacks ($100 chips) from his pocket and give those to the winner (rather than ship the chips, pull out 3 blacks, and then turn around and ask for change again).

A had done this just a few hands prior, so maybe that's what the dealer was wondering?

The dealer should at least try to do something. Announce a winner or approach the players directly. If players take >45 seconds to count down their stack, they should let the dealer handle it. PLO is a slow game already, having to wait 2 minutes between hands because players take ages to count down stacks isn't supposed to happen.

not good etiquette by the player for sure. but entirely legal.
the fault is with a bad dealer mistake of not running the game.

45 seconds doesn't sound completely out of line when you hear the story like that.

I remember PH going bat**** on TV when he was caught bluffing on the river in hold'em, and his opponent insisted on not opening his hand until PH opened his. He then wanted to wager on what was etiquette, etc. like a giant ass. IMO, he would've lost that wager too (and then not paid).