Do spectators have an obligation to call out misread hands? - Page 4 - Poker Card Room

But in this specific type of case if they are wrong the pot still goes where it was headed. No harm done except to the rail birds ego.

Howard. The reason this is so rare is that about six different rare events have to happen all at the same time. Assume they were each 25:1 all six occurring is still a qrtr of a billion to one. And 25:1 isn’t very rare

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03-04-2018 , 01:46 PM

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Howard Beale

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Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

I don't recall anyone saying that they'd seen someone say anything about a hand in progress from the rail. Let's try an experiment: the next time you play live ask the table if anyone has ever seen anyone do it and report back.

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03-04-2018 , 11:52 PM

#78

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 12,262

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

I have seen it. The player on the rail was mistaken. A well known player was asked to leave the room because he wouldn't stop swearing about the guy on the rail.

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03-05-2018 , 12:21 AM

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Steve00007

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Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 9,163

Haven’t there been threads asking if a player at the table should say something if he wasn’t involved in the hand? Some people would make a very similar case that I’m seeing from some posts here. They would say something like “He isn’t involved so he should stay quiet and mind his own business.”

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03-05-2018 , 12:27 AM

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Steve00007

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Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 9,163

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Originally Posted by RR

Which is why the person on the rail needs to be quiet. When they are thinking of speaking up, they are probably mistaken.

The chances of being right will depend a lot on who it is. An experienced player who is watching isn’t certain to be wrong and will often be right IMO. A curious, inexperienced player will probably get it wrong.

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03-05-2018 , 12:45 AM

#81

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 12,262

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Originally Posted by Steve00007

Even an experienced player is an overwhelming favorite to be wrong. For him to be right, he has to notice something that every player at the table is wrong about. It is just far more likely that he saw the cards incorrectly or didn't hear something spoken at the table that is relevant.

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03-05-2018 , 08:19 PM

#82

Steve00007

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Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 9,163

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Originally Posted by RR

Chances are high that several of the players not in the hand are not paying close attention, or maybe someone did notice but is uncomfortable speaking up, and maybe some of the players themselves are inexperienced.

I’ve seen it happen several times when a player at the table correctly points out the mistake, and it often seems like several people didn’t notice because they were looking at their phone, looking at the waitress, watching the tv, having a conversation with someone, daydreaming, watching the hand but not really paying close attention, etc. Even the dealers aren’t always paying close attention.

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03-06-2018 , 06:50 AM

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Lord_Crispen

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,205

or they want the pot to go to their friend....or to the fish. Or just don't ever want to be involved in conflict. There's plenty of people around the world that see their coworkers steal from work every day and they don't say anything about it. I'm not saying they should snitch, but I am saying it's objectively the right thing to do.

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