If you win a lot and win often many people get jealous and root for you to lose........pros, dealers, etc.

You cant be more right . Amazes me how friggin petty the so called "pros or winners" can be toward other winners if you aint part of the "gang" . And it goes against everything human not to let that negativity affect you at the very least on some emotional , spiritual level . I dont think the beer stand owners sit around hoping the other beer stand owners die in a grease fire like the poker crowd does (at least not to the same extreme) but i get the competition thing . I gotta say in my experience , the lasvegas grinders are the friggin WORST with this clicky bull**** . Its funny to watch the phony , patronizing , and so pathetic form of asskissin salesmanship take root with these guys when a new "sucker" sits down at a vegas table . The second they realize this person can actually play he is a pariah and will be rejected and resented from that point on . .... It does seem to get a little better the higher the limits go ( at the least better at hiding it which is good enough)....funny what you said about the fake smile they give back....A life long grinder withn the best additude ive ever witnessed told me " it used to bother me but now i just dont care" meaning he had to go numb to survive on some level . But even this guy was truely overjoyed and eurphoric when certain other regulars went bust.....its a horrible enviroment to make an "easy living" in

good post.

what's even worse is watch how some people treat other people day in day out when they win then watch those same people when they're losing. it's night and day in many cases.

A little bit of humility and a clear perspective on life in general would go a long way in the reg/pro infested poker communites (as well as in other aspects of life).

Ego plays such a large role in the game of poker for so many that they don't even realize that it turns them into miserable tools that nobody wants to be around. I don't care if you're a pro that crushes the games you play in, you're not the best player in the world; you're just not.

If these types of players could just be personally confident in their game (after all, you're never going to be successful in almost anything you do in life without confidence) without feeling the need to make everyone else aware of how great they are, they'd be a lot better off and so would the people that are in their presence. I don't care what you do with your life, to me there's no excuse to not being a decent person generally speaking (we all have our bad days here and there).

If you consider yourself a professional poker player, then maybe you can start with acting like a "professional" at what equates to your place of business. After all, like it or not you're essentially in the customer service business, and treating your customers like crap isn't a good business model. Even against other pros that are more like your competition instead of your customers, there's no reason you can't be businessman like with them. If you want to prove to them that your business is better than theirs, let your product on the felt do your talking for you. It's been said many times before that if you have to tell people how great something is or go out of your way to convince them of it, then it's really not that great to begin with.

Why would the dealers root against you when you tip them better than average? Why would they care whether you win or not unless you are a jerk?

this is pretty much accurate for many walks of life where people compete for the same pool of $$ especially where there's no skilled labor involved

poker dealers, car salesmen, real estate etc the list goes on and on

people just way more civil about it if they are successful, and not many "poker pros" are really successful

+1 especially the bolded

I haven't experienced this much. I had one pro who didn't want to talk to me. He said I would have to "figure things out on my own," or something along those lines, but I wasn't really even trying to talk about poker, just trying to make friends.

All of the other pros I've met have been friendly with all of the other pros, recs and staff.

i think this is a big reason why i have only gotten the type of treatment OP described when playing 5/10. when playing lower, most players are there to have a good time, a lot of them are retired men looking to socialize and view poker as a hobby. when playing higher, a lot of the players you are playing with are really successful, both inside and outside of poker, which probably explains why they don't seem to all be miserable people.

not a jerk and I tip about average but definitely noticed that several dealers and floor people don't like it when I win because I'm guessing that I win so much so often

Professional players tend to act like professionals. Random grinding 'pros' often hate life, themselves, and most other people.

what did I just read?

A super sick brag

There are several interesting assertions here.... You might want to re-examine them, just to be sure....

In general, IME, floors and dealers only mind winners who drive other players away. This is far more often due to attitude and behavior than to their actually winning.

Anyway, IME, successful pro's tend to be reasonably congenial and mutually respectful (with some exceptions); and unsuccessful, marginal, struggling "pro's" (of whom there are many more) tend to be miserable to everyone.

+1

Successful pros are like 1/100 players. They dont care if someone else is a successful pro because they are almost always the best player at the table and one more good pro isnt going to slow them down at all. Unless the successful pro is just an *******, he will normally respect the other successful pro and treat him as such.

When I used to play at Commerce a lot of the regs would get in fights over backing/money. There was def some hostility and clicks.

Let me ask OP, how much do you change tables? The only time there is a collective groan where I play is when a notorious table hunter joins the game.

Agreed with previous poster. The only reason why regs/fellow pros would dislike/shun you is if you do things which upset the natural balance of the way things operate. Perhaps you are the guy who wears the headphones and glasses and hoodie, perhaps you tablehunt religiously, perhaps you talk on the phone a lot at the table. Things like that aggravate the old timers. Generally, though, if you're good and you're humble about it then at the very least they'll respect you. Andif you're pleasant to be around then they'll like you.

I've found that it's not actually play style that makes people angry, it's the player's demeanor and the way he conducts himself at the table. Sure, there might be the occasional old man calling station who hates that you raise more than he's used to and it annoys him individually, but that's not the case for most.

I'm so happy for the resurrection of this thread just because I got to read this.

ain't no time to hate

Well commerce is way scummier than pretty much any poker room

I have no reason to hate the other regs in my game. Unless they are worth hating...

Short answer is no. Lol.

Some regs obviously got history and some social circles form just like in any other profession but the best players tend to be social. You’d be surprised how much poker learning is done through social conversation between players.

There were legit scum bags though. There was a blonde reg at the Borgata in the mid 2000: who was a teacher in his day job that was absolutely horrible for the table. Just the worst of every poker stereotype and he had no qualms about cheating.

I mean things like nudging chips that weren’t in play onto the table after moving all in and winning the pot to win opponents entire stack. He ALWAYS tried to take the other guys whole stack by talking as if he had everyone covered even when he obviously didn’t. I saw him take more money than he was entitled to this way more than once. I also saw him put an ace right under his player’s card and laughed it off when I pointed it out to him.

I called him out once for taking chips he wasn’t entitled to. The dealer just looked miserable and he floor didn’t want to do anything about it probably because he wouldn’t even know where to send the money and he didn’t want to review security footage.

I was also a skinny fat coward who didn’t want to take on someone with 20 pounds of muscle on me.

But yeah, I hated him and I am sure he hated me.

Firm stance you have there...

I have many dealer friends, they for the most part are hoping the recs win hands against Pros. The recs will tip better for the most part.