And so did Ivey, but not if we minus the amount each have spent in tournies. It's too hard to track, but it's only by a few hundred thousand and Gold has obviously played in much, much less tournies, as I said.

Scotty's probably gonna pass him too tomorrow.

I just want to make a quick comment not really related to this thread.

I just think its cool that Daniel actually comes here and posts these long responses.
I mean he's pretty much the most recognizable, biggest name, and most liked player in the world. (I'm talking about in the eyes of the general public / casual players (which by far are in the majority) ... obviously on 2+2 it might be Durrrr but most people on the street don't know who he is). Hellmuth is just as famous but most people don't like him. Ivey, I guess actions speak louder than words, but you can't really be a good representative if you're too quiet. Doyle, he's kinda disappeared lately.

I mean think, Full Tilt has most of the top pros in the world. Poker Stars has Daniel. Which site has more users? The guy just has so much appeal, and is more than anyone the face of poker. Yet he still takes time to come here and reply to all your posts. When's the last time Tiger Wood or Michael Jordan posted on a golf or basketball forum?
(ps. ya I know Stars has a bunch of other pros too, but who do you see in all their commercials, whos name is on the bottom of all their emails and public statements, etc... I guess Vanessa is their #2 most marketable which makes sense but is a bit funny)

Also, the fact that he acknowledges that he's nowhere near the level of Ivey/Durrrr/Antonius and that his NLHE game is not the greatest. I mean, how can you not at least respect him...

PH got what he deserved imo. He's just so full of himself it's UNREAL, I mean, he's really messed up. People like Daniel just give him the reality check he desperatley needs.

You are mistaken.

I guess I haven't been keeping up with the stats lately. That's very impressive and I didn't think anyone would beat Jamie for quite a while.

I don't define a legend by tournament winnings. I don't define legends period. I was using Jamie Gold as an example of why defining legend by tournament winnings is a poor metric. I thought that was obvious, but reading back I guess it may not have been.

Dude u must check some stats. That's Negreanu not Hellmuth, Negreanu plays every single of them from razz to omaha hi lo, Hellmuth focus mainly on NLHE, he don't play the other games much.

Btw the ROI of Hellmuth is really really impressive, there was a post some time ago showing his overall results in tournaments and I can tell you after I saw it, it couldnt believe it, it was really impressive.

Im not using tournament winnings at all, if I have to use it then Daniel Negreanu would be the best player of all time which is obviously incorrect.

Man, why don't you just post a poll and find out who the forum respects more. I will bet you any amount that Daniel is more respected on 2p2 than that whiny hero of yours. You must be a Helmuth gimmick or be on UB's payroll the way you are tarding up this thread with your Helmuth love.

hahah hell yea

love Daniel comments at the end of the show

especially about the fact nobody at the table was going to give him money

only reason he won in the last PAD was BOB SAFIA's terrible play and the fact he had that idiot Phil Laak chirping about everything and anything every minute of the show(surprised BOB didnt tell Phil Laak to stfu!)

PH is a fish(daniel is too a bit) and the whole table knows it

I think you mean this:

Hey everyone, long time lurker (and more frequent lately due to the Isildur drama).

Whatever about Hellmuth. Guys a great tourney player but an awful high stakes cash game player. And a POS human being at the table. Search youtube for Hellmuth and see how many videos there are of him winning something/acting classy vs blow ups or berating other players/dealers. Youtube vids of DN are either of big pots (which is gracious in losing for the most part - never berates anyone else's play at the table) or hand-reading ability.

For the guys ripping on DN's behavior this week... when have you ever seen him berate anyone else at the table? I'm not talking gentle needling like he and Matusow do, I mean really giving it to somebody or calling their playing ability out? NEVER! I for one am glad that he lets Hellmuth have it and puts him in his place instead of letting him have a free pass... DN never comes across as rude when dealing with respectful players - PH clearly is not respectful, and is rude to other players and dealers. DN has told PH in the past that he for one won't tolerate that behavior at the table and lets him have it... Thanks DN for putting that idiot in his place!

This is kind of funny because I've just come into this thread after watching this week's PAD and I thought Daniel was a bit unprofessional in what he said at the end of the show (albeit totally correct) about Phil ; but Daniel comes across very well in this thread in his explanation.

Regarding the insurance, no one has mentioned what I think is the worst example when Hellmuth was constantly holding up a WSOP Final Table (the Beth Shak one) to get insurance with Ivey while the tournament clock was running. I was surprised no one complained about that, but maybe they figured that seeing as the whole tournament was being run as a Hellmuth benefit from two tables out (10-handed final out of nowhere when Phil was 9/10 in chips) it was pointless to complain.

I don't understand why DN cares so much that PH thinks he is the best player in the world. Daniel knows PH isn't, pros know he isn't, and people who have a semi-understanding of the game know he isn't.

DN made 150k by booking him, the public got to see PH play terrible poker, and PH is convinced it was all bad luck and is ready to lose more money to the same guys. Was that rant in the director's cut really necessary?

exactly ty

this

I was referring to the stat of hellmuth winning bracelets with fields of 2000+ entrants. I think he won what 1 or maybe 2 with over 2000+. Dont get me wrong though. I give PH respect for what he did over the last 20yrs. But the fact is he hasnt caught up with the times and just because he won a bunch of bracelets with like 100-300 entrants doesnt mean hes still one of the top players imo. Im sure you will now point out how he won a few years ago or w/e. Good for him. PH can beat really bad tourney donks and thats about it. But he's not even close to how good he thinks he is. the guy is dillusional and cant play with the new generation. maybe he'll get better and not be horrible but i doubt it. But that all aside he still is a legend no matter if he ever cashes in another tournament the rest of his life.(atleast in the eyes of the general public)

2009 World Series of Poker Europe
No Limit Hold'em WSOP Europe Main Event 2nd $807,148

40th World Series of Poker 2009
Event #55 - WSOP Deuce to Seven Lowball 16th $7,223

40th World Series of Poker 2009
Event #53 - WSOP 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo 8 or Better 47th $2,690


40th World Series of Poker 2009
Event #47 - WSOP No Limit Hold'em Mixed Hold'em - LHE/ NLHE
37th $5,757 Jun 24, 2009

40th World Series of Poker 2009
Event #38 - WSOP Limit Hold'em 26th $6,169

40th World Series of Poker 2009
WSOP Omaha Hi/Lo World Championship 4th $130,402

40th World Series of Poker 2009
Event #14 - WSOP Limit Hold'em Six Handed 2nd $138,280

40th World Series of Poker 2009
Event #10 - WSOP Pot Limit Hold'em & Omaha 43rd $5,074

40th World Series of Poker 2009
WSOP 7 Card Stud World Championship 10th $36,266

NBC Heads Up Championship 2009
Spotlight No Limit Hold'em 5th $75,000

I think the NUMBERS speak for themselves here

Saying hes not a top pro? Your comment is laughable. Oh but I'm sure you have these kinds of cashes and numbers too right? Lets see em'

Also, its understandable for people to say that Daniels actions were a bit unprofessional but what most people aren't getting here is that they all happen to be good friends. All of you people look at this as if they all owe each other some common courtesy that unknowns give to one another. This is like a home game to these guys. Daniel and Phil have probably played TOGETHER more times than some of you people have ever even played live. If you can't needle your friend at the poker table about how bad he sucks(albeit on national television lol) then I don't know where you can. PH has a huge effing mouth. Daniel backs up his comments about how bad he think PH is in cash games by booking his ass.

hahahahhaha Phil Hellmuth hahahah

Well the guy played over 40 tournaments this year, I guess he should have some decent results. The question is, but how much did he lose?

I might disagree in some points, but I generally agree with it.

I totally agree with Daniel on this one.Hellmuth deserves what he got.

http://www.philhellmuth.com/

His site says: the best poker player on earth rofl.

For a very honest and fair assessment of Phil Hellmuth look no further than Barry Greensteins site:

http://www.barrygreenstein.com/player_analysis/

I loved Ivey's comment at the end

DN "I will always bet against Phil against these guys"
PI " If Daniel isn't here I'll take that bet"

Paraphrasing slightly but ou get the idea