haha i geuss this is the PAD episode of what u all r talking about

very funny video: incredible amounts of fail including constant yelling at which cards are going to come

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r4sk7yHNGQ

i complete argree with all that. Everything u said is 100% TRUE. Just kinda looked off to me the way it was going. And i did orginaly state that he does deserve to get needled for everything that hes done in the past.

Just saying it did look and feel a little off to me. So i brought it up. Last nights episode was pretty dull. He still whinned about it for hour. Looking forward to tonights. Durrr looks like hes asleep. lol

Insurance thing, as annoying as it is. he has to have time to do his thing there. Like everyone else does with there, running it once or twice. I think that stuff like that has to be decided after that hand. No more deals that are time comsuming etc.

Daniel Negreanu

(x) micro grinders idol
( ) poker idol

When people first start to play poker they admire Negreanu cus he is in 70% of the poker videos on youtube, but the more you play you will realize he is not in the top player at all. He is an excellent player not a legend. PAD showed his is clearly at a lower stage in skills. PH is a legend, like it or not.

doesn't matter if he isn't top, it's the kind of person he is aswell, one of the nicest people I have seen(not in like in person but what I've seen from him in videos etc), especially in poker

This is the dumbest post in the thread. Have you been watching this show? Helmuths constant whining is making the table uncomfortable and his blaming the dealer for his bad play is unexcusable...

PAD should throw him out.

Nicest people?

He makes fun of you in the table which is worst than Hellmuth's whinning, he might not say "you ****ing idiot" but he makes fun of your play, and that's one of the most mean attitudes you could make on a poker table.

How is Hellmuth a 'legend' and Negreanu not? Daniel Negreanu has won more money than any other player in tournament poker history, and in more variants than just hold em.

believe me his constant whinning does not affect anyone in the table. I think more uncomfortable is a guy who jokes on your play, and makes fun of you and keeps laughing as he thinks he is better than you. Danie Negreanu does a lot of that attitude, and that imo is worst than Hellmuth's.

Dude you need to read the crap you write before you hit the "Submit Reply" button. How many times have we heard Helmuth berate a player for the cards that they played? "Honey, he called my raise with QT. He can't even spell poker" is a classic. Daniel is just doing to him what he does to everyone else. And that's beside the point that Helmuth represents the scummiest poker site on the planet.

are u kidding? how old r u??

Those in bold cant be offensive, when he said them actually every1 in the table lol'ed. He doesn't even mind if they laugh at it cus he actually doesn't intend to sound offensive at all. Tony G is an aggressive person, not Hellmuth.

Hellmuth is a "legend" because he's an ass.

How do you define "tournament poker history?" If you mean tournament poker winnings, I'm pretty sure that's Jamie Gold @ $12M. Tough number to beat.

Determining who is or isn't a "legend" seems a bit contrived to me. There are no poker legends imo.

Nope, Daniel passed Jamie.

And I'm not the one who started the legend talk, just stating that if in fact Hellmuth is a 'legend' for his actual poker playing, then so is Daniel.

Just watch and then write that again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuoc_...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99-jcla0MHc

U didn't get my point. Im saying DN making fun of your play is imo worst than PH reaction. I mean PH reaction is a consequence of his extreme passion and his anger of getting donkoff, but DN just makes fun of you with no reason. Hellmuth is sometimes over the line but it's understandable in some way, DN ridiculizing you is not justified what so ever.

you are such an idiot.

First of all DN leads tournament poker winnings not Jamie Gold.

Secondly since when u define a legend by his tournament winnings? Jamie Gold is obviously excluded from any query since he took those 12 from a single shot, nobody is that stupid to include him. Take into consideration not just tournament money but tournament results like wsop bracelets, final tables, cashes, etc.

LOL, are u serious??

Come on guys they are both great tourney players , cash games is a diff story , Like i said earlier 2 bad attitudes dont make a right especially from 2 people looked upon as poker icons.

I put legend in quotations on purpose. I am not sure either of them can really be classified as legends yet, but if one is, so is the other imo.

Dude, PH has 11 bracelets, the most cashes and the most final tables ever in the WSOP. He won the most prestigious tournament, the main event. He won over 30 NL Holdem tournaments. He has over 10 million in tournament winnings (cus u r so much focused on winnings). He won the NBC Heads Up Championship. Btw it is much harder to win a bracelet in NLHE (over 2000 players fields) than in Razz for example, DN plays every single WSOP tournament from lowball to omaha 8 and still has only 4 bracelets. Dude seriously u cannot compare PH with DN. In addition PH cashed in many occassion in the main event after the poker boom, I don't know any other pro who did better in the last 3 or 4 years in the Main Event than PH.

Ever heard of a guy named Phil Ivey?

Allan Cuningham?

Might want to check your stats there. and maybe the fact that PH plays every tournament every year to get those 11 bracelets, FT, blah blah blah. But it sounds like you're quite the PH fanboy so you probably dont listen to logic.

Until we can track how much DN has spent in tournies - his winnings are kinda irrelevant. Gold is clearly number one due to the fact that he has played a minuscule amount of tournaments compared to DN.

So how many of Phil Hellmuths bracelets came in events with fields of over 2000? And as far as recent main event performances, Joe Hachem, Mike Matusow, and Ivey have done a whole lot better than Mr. Hellmuth. And hows Phils record in WPT events? Whatever, this arguement sucks anyways.

What was the reference to wanting to be a representative where DN seemed to be visibly steamed about?

didn't DN recently overtake Gold?