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Originally Posted by Riverine
I'm not sure I'm envisioning the same action here as some others. If someone bets, tons of players will move their hands to the chips, cut out the call amount, think about it, restack, recut, , shuffle chips, etc. i don't think anybody considers any of that an angleshoot or pretending to call to get a player to expose his hand. Unless the guy tries to feign somehow forward motion, or moves his chips up to, but short of a betting line, it's just normal action.
OP said he moves his hands towards his chips. He didn't even say that he actually touched them. How can that be in angle? Lots of people also cut out chips when they are not facing a bet, while deciding whether to bet or not. Absent an attempt to pump fake, that's not an angle, even if they know they are going to check, but want to make it seem like he has a tough decision. If a player observes that and folds it's not because he was the victim of an angle, it was because he is a beginner and doesn't recognize common table actions.
It's like you guys aren't even reading the same OP. He admitted he wasn't even thinking about betting, he was just trying to trick the other guy into mucking.
OP: "slowly moved my hands to my chips to see if he'd just fold again"
I have no idea why anyone thinks it is only an angle if he does a pump fake or forward motion. An angle is about the intention. Of course doing what OP did doesn't break any rules. If it broke rules, it would be outright cheating, not angling. When someone accuses you of angling, the answer can never be "but I didn't break any rules".
If there is a betting line that is in play, doing what OP did is just as angly as the pump fake: it's pretending you're going to bet but not betting.
If the rule is forward motion, then what the OP did is an angle, and the pump-fake is not an angle, because it is a bet. If someone tries to take back a bet, it is cheating.