Is dealing in a player with no chips a misdeal? - Poker Card Room

Curious, trivial situation last night - playing 1/2 live the 10 seat went all in and lost. He reached for his wallet, and the dealer dealt him in, but then he said, 'No, never mind, I need to go' and left.

So now we all have hands and the 10 seat was effectively dealt cards when he had no business having cards.

Should that be a misdeal? Or do you just fold the cards and ignore it as a trivial matter?

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04-09-2015 , 09:11 AM

Playbig2000

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it's usually just killed.

good job on the dealer for dealing him without having money in play. I guess he was dealt 72o and said forget it.

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04-09-2015 , 09:45 AM

Bene Gesserit

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Seems to be about the same as someone folding out of turn to me. Dealer mistake. Don't see any need to call a misdeal here.

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04-09-2015 , 10:05 AM

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I don't see this as a dealer mistake, nor a misdeal.

The gentleman was reaching for his wallet, as a dealer, you deal him in and ask what's he buying in for before he looks at his cards.

If he decides to not rebuy, kill his hand, move on. The only players complaining are the ones that got a bad hand, and feel that the poker gods screwed them by the dealer making what they feel is a dealer error.

In the off chance that he looks at his cards, then says he's not rebuying, call the floor.

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04-09-2015 , 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Uniden32

and the floor does what though? makes him rebuy, then he folds and leaves.

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04-09-2015 , 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Uniden32

In the off chance that he looks at his cards, then says he's not rebuying, call the floor.

The only way this matters is if he is a blind (or in stud obviously he owes the ante and might be the bring in). If he looks at his hand before announcing the amount of his rebuy only the minimum buyin should be in play for this hand.

Dealing in a player not entitled to cards is one of those weird things ... it is a misdeal in every rulebook I have ever seen .... but I have never seen it ruled a misdeal .... they always just kill the hand.

Of course in this case I wouldn't even say the player wasn;t entitled to a hand. he indicated he was buying back in.

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04-09-2015 , 10:53 AM

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I said dealer mistake, but maybe the only error was the dealer not asking him verbally and simply assuming by his action he wanted cards. Certainly not a major mistake IMHO. Mostly on the player.

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04-09-2015 , 11:29 AM

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In the home / works games that I deal I would call a misdeal simply because I don't want to deal with a player that goes busto as the result of a mistake.

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04-09-2015 , 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic

In the home / works games that I deal I would call a misdeal simply because I don't want to deal with a player that goes busto as the result of a mistake.

what about the guy who goes busto on the new deal and says "why couldn't u just have killed that hand"

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04-09-2015 , 11:52 AM

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I feel lucky to have never seen a dealer let a busted player look at his cards before stating the amount of his rebuy and at least verifying that the stated amount exists. There should never be an opportunity for that to change after he looks, in case he chooses to play the hand.

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04-09-2015 , 12:19 PM

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and the floor does what though? makes him rebuy, then he folds and leaves.

If the player looks at his cards, then states what he wants to buy in for:

- I'm more than likely just killing his hand, depending on the action.

If the player looks at his cards, then says I didn't want to buy in again:

a. If he's a blind, I'm forcing him to put in the money. If he doesn't, I'll post it from the well, and the player will be asked to leave and owes the house the amount before he would be allowed back in.

b. If he's not a blind, I'm asking him leave and to have a nice day.

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04-09-2015 , 12:24 PM

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+1

Dealers at my home stadium usually ask how much plays before they deal the first card.

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04-09-2015 , 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Uniden32

If the player looks at his cards, then states what he wants to buy in for:

- I'm more than likely just killing his hand, depending on the action.

Why? Let him play the minimum buy in.

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04-09-2015 , 12:41 PM

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Why? Let him play the minimum buy in.

I think overall this gives the other players a good amount of information about the players hand..which is obviously good.

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04-09-2015 , 12:48 PM

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I don't recall for sure but I don't think the guy looked at his cards. I don't think it was an angle - just a changed mind moment.

(I think he had decided to go to the tournament instead, as I saw him playing there while I was on my way out.)

So general consensus - not usually an issue?

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04-09-2015 , 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo

Just think of it as he bought in got one hand, folded and then left.

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04-09-2015 , 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo

My 2 cents - not an issue.

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04-09-2015 , 01:37 PM

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That was my thinking as well. Hard to see how it could matter in any serious way - I just wasn't sure.

I mean, obviously it impacts the hand in question - everyone has different cards and the board will be different, but it doesn't change any *known* information in any way...

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04-09-2015 , 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Uniden32

I don't see this as a dealer mistake, nor a misdeal.

The gentleman was reaching for his wallet, as a dealer, you deal him in and ask what's he buying in for before he looks at his cards.

If he decides to not rebuy, kill his hand, move on. The only players complaining are the ones that got a bad hand, and feel that the poker gods screwed them by the dealer making what they feel is a dealer error.

In the off chance that he looks at his cards, then says he's not rebuying, call the floor.

Dealer shouldn't give anybody cards who doesn't have chips in front of them, or on the way. So yeah, this is a minor dealer mistake.

As played just kill that hand and move on.

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04-09-2015 , 09:14 PM

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Dealer shouldn't give anybody cards who doesn't have chips in front of them, or on the way. So yeah, this is a minor dealer mistake.

As played just kill that hand and move on.

Agreed.

I would just kill the hand.

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04-10-2015 , 08:07 PM

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It is a miss deal.

Also the player by reaching for his wallet to buy more chips and then not doing it after the dealer had dealt him in is a bit of a douche move on his behalf.

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04-10-2015 , 08:30 PM

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Also the player by reaching for his wallet to buy more chips and then not doing it after the dealer had dealt him in is a bit of a douche move on his behalf.

not if he is a degenerate and had second thoughts about risking his rent money

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04-10-2015 , 10:02 PM

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Just kill the hand and play on.

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04-10-2015 , 11:22 PM

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Right from RROP

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2. The following circumstances cause a misdeal, provided attention is called to the error before two players have acted on their hands.

(i) Cards have been dealt to an empty seat or a player not entitled to a hand.

As played, I'm saying the player reaching for his wallet was entitled to a hand, folded and we move along.

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04-11-2015 , 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo

There's a potential problem even if he didn't look at his own cards. He could have spotted the reaction of people looking at their cards, and decided not to continue. Maybe unconsciously, but anyway, and unfair.

If nobody looked at their cards before he announced he's not continuing, it's of course just as it would be undealt cards (if they are not marked

), and should not be a problem for people understanding the game.

I'm aware of that ruling misdeal makes the fix worse than the original problem, guess that's why it's not generally used, whatever the book of rules says.

Last edited by plaaynde; 04-11-2015 at 01:11 AM.

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