As stated, dealers what do you tip out at the end of your shift. Generally speaking there’s about 3 people at anytime that are included on that tip out. Cashier, and 2 floor staffs . This is where is gets interesting , when the shift boss sends home one of those floor staffs to save the company money do you think the dealer tip out should be reduced as well ? Since they are trying to save money during slower times by cutting staff shouldn’t dealers get a break as well. If the house takes a full % at the end of each shift, quit cutting other employees early that get a piece of the tip out and expect dealers to eventually not speak up . I see this as the next big lawsuit getting ready to hit poker rooms. Dealers need to see where all this tip out money goes weekly. We all know it’s subsidizing someone else’s pay who legally isn’t even entitled to a piece of that tip out. Every tip needs to start being accountanted for. That Includes the boxes at the cashier window, and the tips at the end of a tournament. Every employee in every position should start demanding to see where all this money ends up. What’s everyone’s opinion here.

What market are you in (my guess is Britain)? In North America it is uncommon (but not unheard of) to tip out some amount to cashier/brush and less commonly floor staff (this used to be mandatory despite being against rules... Juice).

If there are pooled tips that you want accounted for you need to form a tip committee or unionize (PM if you want help organizing). I suspect you are very wrong when you say the money is illegally subsidizing someone else's wage. Good luck with your lawsuit.

I missed saying this in my first response: why are you saucy that the floor staff gets the same % based on the hours they worked? If they had have stayed and worked when they weren't needed and got the same amount of money that would have satisfied you?

I vaguely remember talking about it here years ago.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ht=tipping+out

In Vegas, I've never heard of any dealers being forced to tip out. We're encouraged to tip a few people because their wages are pretty bad but usually I'm not tipping more than $3 or $4 to people that make half as much as I do. We also are prohibited from tipping upwards, which includes the floor staff.

I give a couple of dollars to the cashiers but that's completely optional.

I know in Reno it's basically required to tip 10%+ to the floors but I don't know how that's been allowed to continue. I've heard tale of other places where a percentage is automatically taken out.

Required tip outs are illegal as of 3 months ago but word doesn't seem to be spreading.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr1625

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‘‘(B) An employer may not keep tips received by its employees for any purposes, including allowing managers or supervisors to keep any portion of employees’ tips, regardless of whether or not the employer takes a tip credit.’’.

‘‘Any employer who violates section 3(m)(2)(B) shall be liable to the employee or employees affected in the amount of the sum of any tip credit taken by the employer and all such tips unlawfully kept by the employer, and in an additional equal amount as liquidated damages.’’

If you say that “every tip needs to start being accounted for”, does that mean it isn’t that way right now? The IRS (or other tax authorities in your jurisdiction) won’t be very happy to hear that..

Years ago my wife worked in a restaurant where some waitresses got upset because they thought they were required to tip out too much. When one of them asked the manager to see proper documentation, the answer was along the lines of “sure, from today on we do it all 100% according to the books and you pay income tax on every single tip dollar”. That discussion didn’t come back up again, at least not before my wife stopped working there.

Thanks for posting this. I have to show it to some friends.

In South Florida, just about every room takes anywhere from 10 to 15 percent for supervisors, brushes, and chip runners. Tips are kept in a locked box and are counted with a cashier or supervisor watching and/or under surveillance. Then the remainder (after the percentage is taken out) is taxed prior to pay day.

The Indian casinos take 0% for the rest of the staff and the dealers keep 100% of their own tips, but the total is still taxed prior to pay day.

In every room I have worked in Vegas tipping out is voluntary. Some places tipping supervisors is prohibited but generally you can tip out support staff.

In my room at least on my shift the floors pool their tips among themselves. This makes it easy for dealers to tip if they choose.

I once received a large payment from a casino I used to work at that had a mandatory tip out rule and they were trying to settle a class action suit.

This has been my experience in several stops around the USA, including Las Vegas.

One place had a mandatory, nominal amount for the boardman ($4) and the chiprunner ($2).

I won't even talk about one outlier place--I'm looking at YOU, New Hampshire!

I don't think you are understanding what I'm trying to say. If the shift boss sends home 2 of the 3 people who are on the tip out pool and he picks up the slack, do you as the one doing the mandatory tip out, still think they should take the full 10%. The manager positions are a salary based position and from lawsuits in the past, employees who were getting a piece of the tip out weren't eligible to do so. Tipping out 10% is a hell of a lot of money. I think the money is going else where as well. We dealers who tip out should be able to see where its going and what % is going where and make sure its divided equally. Because as of now , I bet not one cardamom employee has a clue.

Hopefully that starts to happen more. Because they have been subsidizing there own pay through a tip out pool they aren't eligible to receive in the first place. Another thing is during a tournament, now prior to tournaments they doing a add on , and call it a staff add on. We all know there aren't any people in the staff coming down to help in that tournament. Those things run themselves. So they tax us there also, plus when the players leave a tip, where the hell does that money end up at. I want to petition the state to force card rooms to put everything out in the open when it comes to any monies collected. It sure would get rid of a lot of dead beat managers out there who sit back and don't do a thing .

anyone else think they shouldn't have tipped out 10% today ?

I'm saying our tournament add on fee which they use us dealers to offer that additional add on should go strictly to dealers. No other management staff ever helps out in a tournament. But they sell a add on the add on to the player as if its all going to the dealer tip pit pool which is very misleading, and wrong even if they represent it as a staff add on. What happens when a player leaves a tip in a tournament thinking all that money goes to the dealers ? should the tournament director tell the person leaving the tip that none of that tip goes to the dealers ? Or only a piece of it does ? In this case , I know dealers don't get any of it. The dealer tip out money should be in with all the dealer add on money but we all know its not. When theres a big tournament , our downs don't change a bit. The management staff is robbing us dealers blind. Its time to stand up and tell them to put the money where its intended purpose was meant to go

If it’s called a “staff add-on”, a player can expect that money to go to the staff. That might be dealers, floors, security or janitors. You should check if there are legal requirements for that in your (gaming) jurisdiction. Unless there’s some fine print that says 100% of that staff add-on goes to the dealers, I don’t see a single reason why players should assume all that money goes to dealers. Otherwise they would just call it dealer add-on.

That topic is something totally different than the tip-out situation you came up with initially.

At major tournament stops it's common for suits to get up to 40% of the staff fee and tips. Often, but not always, there is a printout of how much money came in and where it's going.

You should definitely ask for an account of all the money coming in and where it's going. This should be published in the break room for all dealers to see. Is the handling of tip money done with a witness under cameras? If they're hiding it in some way that's a big red flag. A prominent Vegas room had an incident a few years ago where supervisors were pressuring players into tipping then carrying the tips into a room with no cameras so they could steal the majority of it.

Many casinos have an anonymous tip line to report things. I'd start there, informing them that it's currently against the law to require dealers to tip out. Keep calm and don't make it about you - make it about how the casino may have to pay a huge fine in the future.

In my room 30% of the staff fee goes to non dealers. That includes management and supervisors and a small amount even goes to chip runners and brushes. As a dual rate who is on the floor more often than I am in the box I may not agree with how that 30% gets split but there is no one doing more work in the tournament then the supervisors.

100% of tips left by players go to the dealers and supervisors in the tournament are not allowed to accept any tips.

Nothing is counted under camera

it can be called whatever they want it to be called, point being they are being included in the tip out and they aren't doing anything. The only one who does anything is the tournament director. No one else helps or does anything. Do you personally think a janitor or security guard is entitled to a tip share pool ? if so thats comical. The dealers tip out money shouldn't be used to subsidize other peoples pay because the owners are to cheap. Just because they do it, doesn't mean its legal.

Although it is off topic a bit , it just infuriates me where the money is going. I firmly believe its going to people who shouldn't even be included in this tip share legally. Way to many hands in the pot.

In your casino.

What is your point?

If you have a problem with how things are handled at your casino, get your fellow dealers together and talk to Management/Ownership.

Maybe talk to a labor attorney. Or someone from the appropriate Gaming authority.

But don't be surprised if you start getting written up for minor things so that they have a record of "problems" if/when they decide to terminate you.

I for one think no one does more than the janitor and if there is a tip for the janitor that is fantastic.

Whats everyone opinion on , managers giving fills, and running the podium. No brush or chip runners working. Eventually they come in to work and the dealers still tip out 10% ? Some days there isn't even a floor or a chip runner at all. They are doing it and we are still being forced to tip out a full 10%. The only tip out employee working is the cashier. How does one approach this matter. I want to say something and so do plenty others . The law states supervisors aren't eligible to the tip pool. But I know damn well they are taking a piece of the 10%. How does it stop ? So many greedy fingers in the money .

Really close to saying something but I'll probably get fired