Hi DisRuptive1:

Dealers need to understand that those players who don’t tip or tip little still contribute to producing a game where they make money.

Best wishes,
Mason

I think in most cases the term "hold a grudge" may overstate the way dealers feel about nontippers. The players who never tip are obviously known to the dealers. And of course no dealer wants that guy to win a hand. But IME it's more of a feeling of resignation, rather than anger; more like "damn, I pushed xxx half the pots this down, that's my shitty luck" rather than "I've got to find a way to **** that guy over".

There really isn't much a dealer can do to target a nontipper even if they wanted to. Things like not moving the button or pushing the pot to the wrong player are such obvious things that it is likely they will be noticed, and will make other players think the dealer is sloppy which could affect his tips from others. As for saying rude or personally insulting things to a player, that can only continue to happen if you have weak floor people who Dont take appropriate action.

So imo, it's much more likely a dealer is screwing up bc they are sloppy than bc they are targeting a player they have a grudge against.

The homophobic comments should gett the dealer fired. Period. So the rest is moot. Any kind of hate speech should, and on many places does, result in automatic termination.

Talk to a Floor you trust about the situation without mentioning names.

If trouble persists and you are really affected by the spot, then ask the Floor if you can sit out the downs when they are at the table. Obv this will require naming the Dealer, but that would be the next step for me.

They may suggest that you just don't paly any hands during the down, but the other Players at the table will pick up on something being off for sure. GL

Everything is about ourselves in our biased minds so I’d be really really sure this guy is actually making efforts to slight you before I complain about anything related to his dealing and I’d need clear evidence or examples. I’ve done it before when a dealer would literally straighten the flop or slide the pot in view of a player I was bluffing and it felt great to get that **** laid off for screwing me.

I’d say something about the homosexual comment once that’s purposeful such as “can you explain what you mean” and maybe talk to him about it if you actually want but you don’t have to and could just email the casino manager and explain that he is saying homophobic/unwelcoming comments that make you as a customer feel u welcome. I’ve called people out to their face but it usually never works without clear public shame and a relationship. He is probably just sick of pushing you pots all the time and wants/expects more tips becuase he is hustling too

flip them a red bird once in a while and watch how fast their attitude changes. I've done that my first time in a new poker room full of cheap ass OMC regs and the dealer was on my side instantly.

Not to turn this into the tipping containment thread, but I don’t think that’s the best way to deal with someone like this. People who treat you differently based on tips will just push off that shitty behavior on someone else.

It doesn't matter whether he has a specific grudge. A racist sexist or homophobic comment, for ANY reason, should be all she wrote. Once you put hate speech into the picture, the dealers motives don't even matter, because it can effect any other player who simply hears it, and mainly tarnishes the card rooms image.

I suppose I'll anger the Politically Correct police here, but this categorization of language is one of my triggers. This is a perfect example of how the politically correct movement hijacked basic courtesy and polite behavior and turned it into something they could label and control by adding whatever they liked.

Employees, no matter the business, or position, should be polite, unless someone is abusing it (like a Karen in the wild). Even then, it should be contained and countered by someone in authority.

Probably too simple for many.

The dealer would be fired for being a homophobic piece of ****, not for "violating basic courtesy" or whatever euphemistic cover you bring from decades ago. We have rejected and moved on from much of the past that you regularly long for because it sucked ass.

So, all impolite, or hostile behavior now has to have its own little cubby hole before we can determine if it's right, or wrong? That leads down a dark path.

No! Dealers' should be courteous and polite. There is no need to refine it further.

Besides, I don't think much of your disparaging centuries of custom, just because someone decided on some new categories over the last couple of decades.

Polite and courteous is, has been and always will be all we really need.

A dealer telling a talkative player to shut up is rude and impolite. A dealer calling a black player the N word is a very different thing and should have different consequences, rather than categorizing both actions as simply being impolite.

There's a difference between being impolite and being intolerant. It's a difference in kind, not just in degree. Speech designed to make others feel unwelcome at best, and subhuman at worst, merely because of who they are is not just "impolite."

I don't think much of disparaging centuries of custom, which is why I keep chattel slaves locked up in my basement. But I'm pretty sure they think I'm a good master because I'm always polite to them.

You are now trying to define someone’s intent. Unless they outright state their intent you do not know the intent.

And yes their can be differing degrees of ompolite with differing responses. But just because what someone says is politically out of favor does not always make it a firing offense. The whole if 5he situation as well as that individuals history need to be considered.

That would be an example of impolite behavior.

That would be an example of hostile behavior.

You're mixing up impolite behavior with hostile behavior.

Now you're equating an act of evil with social behavior between people.

Everyone deserves some level of respect, unless and until they exhibit behavior that deserves exclusion. In which case, they then deserve punishment that fits the crime. In the case of a dealer being impolite, rude, or hostile they should be corrected, disciplined, or fired.

I really fail to see why all the special categories need to be added. In my life, I've interacted with a lot of people of many different races and cultures and have found one common thread. As a general rule, people want to be treated with basic courtesy and respect, no more and no less.

If this is in a casino, you could make a complaint with casino management rather than cardroom management, in case you wanted to make it more anonymous.

If you have a muted personality at the table, some imbeciles will mistake it with weakness, so you might have to up your social aggression.

You're assuming that somebody's intent for saying something is more important than how the person they're saying it to feels about it, and that as long as you have non-malicious intent you should be able to say whatever you want.

If I'm pleasantly chatting with someone at a table, and they overstep their bounds and make a racially charged joke, I'm going to tell them not so politely not to do it again. If they have any problem with that in a casino I'm calling the floor, anywhere else we're settling business.

this kind of "well it's impossible to know anything about what is happening inside someone's mind, so we can't judge anything" philosophy is pointless and exhausting. We constantly figure out and assign intent to people throughout the day, if we didn't communication would be impossible. It's only when it comes to hateful language and behavior that a certain subset of the population decides to act like human behavior and intent is inherently unknowable.

'politically out of favor' is such a weaselly way of wording this. Politics is whether we should raise or lower taxes, not whether certain types of human deserve to be treated with respect.

Philosophy aside, a dealer should keep their polarizing opinions away from the table.

Update: been sitting out this dealer's downs when possible (asked/told floor, although not the reason why), of course not when in a juicy game. Speaking of which, won a $5k pot during their down, dealer got a $5 tip - which some might even consider too generous.

Actually I am saying the opposite. Since you can’t kno they intent you don’t use intent to judge. You look at the action and it why the offender did it. Now she you consider the person and their history? Yes. And you should look at the severity objectively and not just on how the offended party feels.

Look at what’s was done. Don’t waste time trying to figure out why it was done or what the intention was. In the in the end offenders intentions may have been innocent but that does not justify what he did.

What someone says about you says more about them than you. If you even care about what other people think about you, then you're playing life wrong.

Come on guys, words can hurt. We all know it and have all used words to hurt someone else. You don't need to use proscribed words, or any sort of swearing to do it. What it is is hostile behavior and that is something a dealer should virtually never do.

I fail to understand the life of this thread. Maybe it's just one of those hot-button topics.

The casino has more to worry about when it comes to statements that may infringe on someone’s civil rights than just impoliteness. Businesses have no right to discriminate, which includes the discriminating statements of their employees.

That doesn’t mean the guy has to lose his job. That’s up to the casino. However they at least have to make an effort to punish + correct the behavior by law.