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There's no question that a clueless player gets destroyed in NL more quickly than FL. Calling off $4 bets is cheaper than calling off $50 bets. This is why in the 80's and 90's NL was rarely spread. Clueless players got destroyed too quickly and competent players didn't want to play competent players, so everyone followed the clueless players to the FL games, where they wouldn't lose a rack of red in one hand.

In general, yes he would lose faster in the NL game. But maybe on that night he runs better in the NL game and actually lasts longer there.

This guy only had $100 left. Clueless players do worse with deeper stacks, and NL games were uncapped in the past.

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10-29-2014 , 06:32 PM

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Let's not use variance as a barometer here. Had this guy turned his $300 into $1500 in 30 minutes due to sick suckouts, this thread wouldn't exist.

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10-29-2014 , 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianNit

And I am insinuating that he's more likely to run into someone trying to angle him at the 1/2NL game.

Which is what I thought you were implying. Why are NL players unethical and limit players gentleman?

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10-29-2014 , 06:38 PM

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Am I out of line to be very pissed about this? My values/beliefs say dealer violated all kinds of unspoken rules and that a random fist should have made contact with the mouth which uttered those words, but I want to know what the community at large thinks of this. Full disclosure, this may affect future tips.

Shocking that people from this site get labeled as antisocial, creepy weirdos. Seriously, are you out of your ****ing mind? Violence should occur because you didn't have a 2% chance of winning $100 off of a guy you'd never see again, because he was informed that a different game of poker would be better for him?

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10-29-2014 , 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes

Which is what I thought you were implying. Why are NL players unethical and limit players gentleman?

I just said he was more likely to run into an angle-shooter at NL. If 3 out of 100 NL players are incorrigible anglers but only 1 out of 100 FL players are, my sinister implication would be correct but would not be equivalent to saying that NL players are unethical.

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10-29-2014 , 06:45 PM

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Shocking that people from this site get labeled as antisocial, creepy weirdos.

Where does this occur, pocket fives? The only times I've heard that stuff was back in the 90's on rec.gambling.poker usenet and it was only about one guy and not the entire forum.

Also, dude's name is LowSociety, so what did you expect?

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10-29-2014 , 06:52 PM

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Okay, so how did you determine that NL contains triple the anglers than FL has? Scratch that since you used the word "if" but you clearly said NL has more anglers than FL. Why do you believe that?

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10-29-2014 , 06:54 PM

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It's not worth angling at 2/4 limit.

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10-29-2014 , 06:59 PM

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It's not worth angling at 2/4 limit.

Serious or joke? I guess I was under the assumption that anglers are pieces of ****, so they angle whenever they get the chance in whichever game they play. I doubt there are straight-up players that decide to play a NL game and think, "Now this would be a great spot to angle. I would have no problem being labeled a piece of **** for an extra $100, but an extra 2 bets in limit wouldn't be worth it."

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10-29-2014 , 07:11 PM

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Okay, so how did you determine that NL contains triple the anglers than FL has? Scratch that since you used the word "if" but you clearly said NL has more anglers than FL. Why do you believe that?

Personal experience.

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10-29-2014 , 07:19 PM

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Personal experience.

My experience is there are more anglers in mixed FL games than in the NL games I play in, but I think that's because there are more opportunities to angle in mixed formats. I haven't noticed a difference between FLHE and NLHE.

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10-29-2014 , 07:42 PM

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Let's not use variance as a barometer here. Had this guy turned his $300 into $1500 in 30 minutes due to sick suckouts, this thread wouldn't exist.

The dealer didn't tell him to move when he had $300. The dealer told him to move when he had $100. The fact is we don't know how he would have done with that last $100 in either game.

It seems pretty silly to me that the dealer would try to "protect" this guy over a measly $100. And it's not like anyone was preventing this player from leaving whenever he wanted to.

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10-29-2014 , 07:48 PM

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If the new player is having problems learning how to play poker (that is, the basic rules and game mechanics, not strategy), would this player have an easier time learning at a 2/4 limit game than at a 1/2 no limit game? To what degree does the new player have to express that he is having a difficult time learning the rules before a dealer can suggest switching games, if that would be a solution.

I doubt learning at a 2/4 game would be much easier. It could even be more confusing if it's a game with a kill.

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10-29-2014 , 08:28 PM

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total bs by the dealer.
plenty of people have fun playing when they're getting reemed and the dealer has no idea if 300 dollars means anything at all to the player.

you can sheer a sheep for a long time if he's having fun playing which this guy was.

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10-30-2014 , 12:09 AM

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Part of the reason j think jts wrong Is the dealer directs him to a game he has no shot of beating, given the absurd rake of a 2-4 game. He's likely going to lose his 300 no matter where he plays and he's unlikely glinf to learn the game playing 2-4 limit.

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11-15-2014 , 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LowSociety

2. All I said was "no one is interested in your ****ing opinion so keep it to yourself, eh?" It was not very loud but I was in seat 1 and his face dropped so I know he heard me loud and clear. He didn't say anything, and all went on as normal. I hate people who make a scene and hold up games. Dealer left soon after and I wasn't involved in any pots so tipping never came up. One other person at the table rolled his eyes when the dealer said what he said, but that's all it was.

This is mind blowing to me. If this exact situation happened to me, I wouldn't be happy about it, but I'd just roll my eyes like the other guy did. I'm there strictly to make money, but I can't imagine being so miserable that I would say that to the dealer. Your reaction was pathetic imo.

I don't even know what to say about the dealer's actions. Your actions were what stood out to me.

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11-19-2014 , 01:50 AM

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You play lots of live poker and that one sentence I said is mind-blowing to you? (I'm still not saying I was right.) You obviously don't play in AC.

You're more taken aback than the dealer was. We're both men and got over it.

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11-19-2014 , 10:36 AM

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What he means is it's mind-blowing that anyone with an ounce of self-respect would say what you said in the first place.

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11-19-2014 , 01:44 PM

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What he means is it's mind-blowing that anyone with an ounce of self-respect would say what you said in the first place.

I still see that to be blown out of proportion but everyone experiences the world differently, I guess. I should move up to where they respect my profanity.

(I wonder if he'd give me the finger if I cut him off in traffic.)

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11-19-2014 , 04:46 PM

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When everybody sees something differently than you, it's time to at least pause and re-assess.

You say the dealer wasn't taken aback, and that he got over it. How do you know? You're in a position of power being aggressive and insulting to a service worker. It's his job to smile and nod at you, and not argue back. He is not allowed to physically leave the interaction. You're not on equal footing, and you're abusing your situation. Most people don't take lightly a hostile work environment, yet you continue to blow it off as no big deal.

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11-19-2014 , 07:54 PM

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dealers are helpless? most dealers ive seen threaten to kick ppl out whenever they are slightly offended. dealers can be just as unpleasant as the players.

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11-19-2014 , 09:23 PM

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The dealer cannot physically leave the interaction. That makes a huge difference. He's also an employee of the company and therefore cannot speak his mind. It's a power play, and a really ****ty one at that.

Be nice to service workers. They're actually people.

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11-19-2014 , 09:37 PM

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dealers are helpless? most dealers ive seen threaten to kick ppl out whenever they are slightly offended. dealers can be just as unpleasant as the players.

I have never seen a dealer threaten to kick someone out. Dealers don't have the authority to kick someone out in any room I've worked at.

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11-19-2014 , 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

It's hard to reply to this post because it's just other-worldly to me. I've written 6 replies and deleted them because there's just too much to address, and it's impossible not to sound condescending or upset. Suffice it to say you and I have polar opposite views, experiences, and biases concerning these matters, which is fine.

My OP was asking whether or not I should be upset at the dealer sending easy money away from our table, and I was appreciative of the input on that.

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11-19-2014 , 11:31 PM

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My view is guided by having dealers come to me on a near daily basis frustrated with how a player is behaving towards them. You better believe I'd get an earful about the manner in which you expressed your opinion, and rightfully so.

Stop making my job harder. I have other things to do.

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