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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
It's a bunch of different dealers in 3 different rooms. It's a certified insane streak of mistakes. Period. I used to be a dealer myself. There is a genuine hostility built up over an insane losing streak I had previously, and I can't abide dealers who sit there and expect tips without concentrating on the task dealing me death. So it gets hostile. Then comes the intimidation factor, which produces the disconnect factor of freezing when they try to assess my hand, change, side pot, etc. They know I know the situation better than they do and they're nervous. But that pot where I bet all-in on river, was insta-called not only verbally but by pushing his chips in ... then he asked to run twice and I said "no once" and he grabbed the chips back and the dealer said nothing, that was too much. He was out to lunch.
If this is happening in 3 different rooms then this is a problem that you are the center of.
Your hostility towards dealers is unacceptable. As a dealer you should know that. There is no losing street that merits any hostility whatsoever at a dealer. When I lose a big pot in a cash game (or tourney really) in which I am massively ahead when the money went in, and then I get sucked out on and the Dealer apologizes, I am quick to remind them that they had no part in it whatsoever. It is not the Dealer's fault.
Even when the Dealer puts a turn card out too soon and I go from winning a pot to losing it, as long as the Dealer acknowledges that they made a mistake I make it a point not to blame them. I could be the other guy benefitting from the mistake. Its only when dealer's blame me for their mistakes that I get upset...
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All it is is a freaky bad run of mistakes in my direction, freaky bad runs happening in all spheres, of course. Aggravated by momentum, the freeze/disconnect factor and my creating it thru expectation.
Stop doing that. And really its not that hard. Just announce your hand when you turn your cards over. Like "Pair of Aces Jack kicker" or "Straight to the 9" etc. Stop trying to prove the point that Dealers are human. And certainly stop acting like you have the losing hand. Being a victim is not going to get you the attention or success you need.
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
The lizard brain factor is a piece of it, as it is that part of me sensitive to it and instigating it a little, if not intentionally. Like this, at the table I always liked to act clueless and goofy, subtly or not so subtly, which can be a good tactic at times (though it can backfire when the deck goes brutally cold). Anyway, this clueless image when you spring the opposite of clueless double confuses the dealer, puts their attention on other than the simple fundamentals of "what is the proper change," "which hand is the winner," "which pot is he in for or not in for." That leads to mistakes. It, the clueless ploy, not only knocks the other players off-center (at times), it knocks the dealer off-center. Off-center increases mistakes. Now they've got, "this guy instead of being an idiot is seeing everything I do in the box and I'm sloppy." That hurts dealer accuracy. End of rant I hope. But it was very weird. At one point it was almost 20 times in a row that a winning hand was attempted to be killed by the dealer, it was my hand. The odds on that? A million-to-one?? Anyway, weird ... moving on. I used to be a great tipper. I stopped and went to the minimum, couldn't bring myself to stiff. That's a piece, somehow. Just a weird run. It started and it got stuck. My point was never actually that it was a cheat, but that it is so extreme it makes sense to suspect it.
Do not tilt dealers. This is the most fundamental thing you can do as a player. Just don't do it.
You want dealers to respect you and care about you. The best way to do that is to respect and care about them. Stop making their job harder than it has to be. The reason you want respect and support from dealers is that there may be a time that you need it. Like in a controversy where you are in the right and about to lose money due to a mistake.
As to having your winners misread as losers 20 times in a row I would say the odds are astronomical. If you assume that on average the dealer will misread your hand 1 in 100 times (which I think is way too low) then to have it happen 20 time is a row would be a 1 in a 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000 event*. There is no name I know of to describe that number. And it is not possible. So either this is an elaborate troll, you are making up the 20 times in a row thing, or everybody really is out to get you.
If it did happen 20 times in a row, or even 4 times in a row, then the message is clear. Stop playing in that room. They are deliberately trying to cheat you. If it was just one or two dealers I might point it our to the Floor manager but I would guess that you have already been reported to him for past behavioral issues.
*If this is PLO then maybe you could argue that a mistake might happen 1 in every 10 hands which would make it a 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 1 in 100 Quintillion. Which again is not possible.
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
It's a weird little dynamic that amounts to misdirection resulting in error. It exists in my mind -- I want it to happen (to confirm something in my subconscious) -- then it manifests in the world. This phenomenon on top of just a "run bad" scenario of dealer mistakes not being distributed evenly, maybe a few other things ... but not the cheat that is surely looks like at first bluff, as in, "can we give this guys pots away and get away with it." It ain't that. Never thought it was. So I needed an explanation.
If what you say is true then there is an attempt being made to cheat you. Or the dealers are so incompetent that they should not be dealing. Either way I would stop playing in that room.
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
An analogy occurs to the protagonist (thought I better avoid hero on this one):
You know when a player is bluffing all the way down, gets called, and flips his hand over and it is absolutely nothing? The calling player often does a double take, confused for a moment, and says, "What is that?" In other words he doesn't believe his eyes at first because the whole thing seemed a non-sequitur. Meaning, a very experienced player, the caller, is thrown and thinks he might be misreading the board for a moment. THAT IS IT kind of in reverse, as these are unexpected big hands, but still unexpected.
When dealing poker, especially some games such as hi-low Omaha, but any game really, the dealer often gets an impression who the winner is going to be from the betting and from other subconscious indicators. When multiple hands are being rolled out -- and that is how it has been happening -- it can lead to overlooks. And on many of these pots someone else was doing the betting. Oh well, near a wrap. It's really been happening at insane odds so had to run it down a little
Just announce your hand when you turn your cards over. If its PLO high/low announce both the high and low hand if you are going for both.
Maybe that will cause some confusion but in general I turn my hand over when it is my turn to do so and only when I have the previously turned over hands beat. There are times I turn my hand over first. But if I were in a situation where hands were regularly being misread I would make sure it was understood that when I turned my hand over that it was ahead.