This player is one of the most annoying players I’ve ever come across.

He likes to wear these big head phones and talk on the phone during hands and talks pretty loud.

Another reg admonished him about hitting and running. I ironically chimed in that it weird you live players get annoyed by hnr when it happens so much to me online.

But then I was on the receiving end of one of these HNRs and I kinda feel bad I ever interjected prior.

Two days ago I’m playing and hnr artist stacks me... by the time I go to atm 50 ft away and come back w a max buy in cash he’s already got all his chips in the rack. The game was bad and he was pretty much it for soft spots in the game.

I legit went on monkey tilt and rage quit the game as he left.

What kind of things can be done about hitting and running?

Do I have to just suck it up and be a robot or can I ask to walk him to his car next time?

What do you mean what can be done? People are allowed to quit at any time, there's nothing you can do about it but instead of going on monkey tilt and rage quitting the game and leaving, maybe focus on how you can beat the average reg/grinder/pro so you can feel more comfortable playing against non fish type players.

Why do you wanna walk him to his car?

Other regs have spoken to him about it should I bring it up?

Or just ignore


Thanks for response

And as far as beating regs and grinders I just choose not to play in certain lineups. This is poker 101.

So, in a home game I used to play in there was a guy who, if he doubled up he would immediately cash out and leave… every time. Then next week, he'd be back to do it again.

No one ever complained and he was always welcomed back the next week. Why? Because on the nights he didn't cooler someone and leave early (like 95% of the time), he was going to donate $3-4k to our little 1/2 game over the course of the evening.

Recognize that most of these hit and runners are long term losers and they're eventually going to give all that money back, even if they don't do it that night. And that's why they're leaving.

--klez

If it is your private game, and you don't like it, stop inviting him. If it is a public casino, there is nothing to be done, deal with it.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

If it bothers you so much you can just not give him any action. Of course you'll lose out on spots to make money, but then you won't need to worry about going on monkey tilt.

There's nothing anyone can do since there's no minimum time a player is required to stay in a game. I know it sucks when they double up on us and leave right away and if people have already spoken to him it just means he doesn't care, and imho it might even entice him to do it even more.

What exactly do you want to bring up?

That you don't like for him to leave when he wants to leave? Then he might tell you he doesn't like your black shoes and asks for you to wear white shoes to the card room the next time.

If he's ratholing, complain to the floor. If he just leaves, that's perfectly fine. He has every right to do that in a public card room. Different story in a private game though.

The only thing you can do is make sure he's not moving to a different table same stakes and ratholing (assuming that's against the rules at your room). If he is tell the floor and force him to actually leave or keep his full stack.

what is hnr? why bothering about hit and run at low stakes ...

When somebody felts me especially when they suck out, its emotionally tough. Whether they slow roll me or hit and run or do anything else to rub it in makes no difference. For me its about letting it go and moving on.

If a bad player doubles up (or more) and then immediately leaves the game, its also tough (especially if I contributed). But what's hard about it isn't that they are "hitting and running" its that the table probably is going to get tougher. In those moments I take the time to see if I should leave as well or continue playing.

At FW about a month ago I was up about $1,200 in a 2/5 NL game I had been playing in for about 6 hours. It was 11:30pm and the table had changed enough that it was tougher than before (a few bad players had left) and the new players who sat down were looking to sit to my left. So I got up to go. Immediately another player who had sat down about 30 minutes earlier racked up as well and made it clear he was pissed off. I had no idea I was that bad (OK maybe I did).

There are several reasons why players might hit and run. The first that was already mentioned is that they are bad and rarely win money. So when they win a big pot and are up they know enough to leave. Another reason has nothing to do with hit and running. It is that the table may have gotten tougher or started out tough and they know enough to leave. One of the reasons that doesn't apply to me because I live far away from casinos and want to play as much as I can when I am there, is something called Happy Tilt. When a player is up a lot often they go on tilt and start playing hands they shouldn't. It happens to me. So I wouldn't fault someone from knowing that about themselves and getting up to go when they feel it coming on.

This guy isn’t exactly a donator... he might be weaker than the avg reg but I wouldn’t classify him as a donator at all. I honestly wouldn’t mind him never playing again just based on him always being on the cell phone and generally being a jerk.

He literally got into it with someone else earlier over being a rules nit. He’s not exactly good for the game by any metric.

Had he been a donator I could see the case for allowing hit and runs. Had he been a random I’d also be more ok with it.

But for a semi reg who’s there to make money it seems really really poor form. To the point I feel a slow roll or hit and run back to him is in order.

Interesting this also took place at FW.. thanks for response

You know what’s funny I just realized something that happened that extra set me off in the heat of the moment....

The floor asked me to buy chips from the villain (I’m guessing to avoid a future fill) but symbolically I didn’t want to hand this villain that just beat me more money given his plan to leave.

I felt like a total kid and it’s embarrassing to even be upset about a stupid hit and run but the truth is that it really tilted me at the time.

Thinking it out and typing it has been cathartic and I kinda just think the whole thing is hilarious and another day in my life of curb your enthusiasm type escapades.

If I had it over again I will just stay and laugh it off.

I'm glad you're feeling better and will react more appropriately next time. The main thing is that as soon as he won the hand, those weren't your chips anymore. I know you know that intellectually, but it is harder to let go of them emotionally.

He did nothing wrong. HnR is perfectly fine. It is even a strategy some players intentionally deploy and do so profitably. Until there is a rule against it (which I would not support), you just need to learn to take a breath and live with it.

If the game really was that bad, and you know he employs this strategy, you might want to consider quitting it before he stacks you. It sounds to me like you don't mind when you stack him but this is poker, you have to take the variance. That or maybe quit before he stacks you and jump back in when he stacks someone else. (Though, that is likely to p!ss off some others also.)

So I'm not going to go through this whole thread and see if someone's brought up this same point but...

When you get stacked and leave the game, you're preventing those other players from taking your money. And yet you're complaining that you can't take this other guy's money because he's leaving the table?

He's also not doing anything against the rules. If what he's doing is profitable for him in the long run, then why should he do anything different? And if it's not in his best interests, then you should want him to do this.

A licensed card room can't have a rule against that. That would be diametrically opposed to responsible gaming. Being able to leave at any time you want is a very important aspect of that. What they could do is expand anti-ratholing rules like increase the time before a player is allowed to sit back in that game for a lower buy-in.

I'm not sure what the standard ratholing rules are, but I've played with people who regularly after winning a big pot went to cash out, go eat and sit back down at the same table an hour later with a significantly smaller stack.

Get a booster dose of the widely available monkey tilt vaccine. Then beat his ass.

I try to play my poker as if there is no beginning and no end. Just extended breaks in between hands. I try. I try not to be exultant when I win big. I try not to get down when I lose three (or thirty) days in a row. God, I haven't logged into this site in a decade...

It tilts you because you have incomplete information.

If you actually knew what this persons pathetic life was like it's possible you could even express empathy towards them next time they hit and run.

My read is that this guy is highly likely a junkie and his only goal is to take his stolen or borrowed buyin and hit n run as fast as possible so he can go and get wasted.

Everyone born into this world suffers, some more than others...

Uh this is so low on the list of things that are annoying at the table, I can't imagine it bothering me. I mean getting stacked can be frustrating but when he leaves its whatever, low stakes NLHE is a target-rich environment. Not like the only possible source of +EV left the room.

It could be done but would be difficult to manage and unwise to attempt for cash games. It is already true in tournaments that while you can quit anytime you wish you cannot just decide to cash out when you wish.

A rule could be written. It would be a stupid rule imo but it could be done. You can leave when you wish but any all in chips won stay on the table for min of a hr. Certainly could be done but it would unpopular and likely short lived.

More likely is what you describe whuch is to lengthen the time off the table before one could rat hole. I played on a cruise ship once that you could not return to the table for less the entire day (the casino closed every morning) unless the game broke. Since they used electronic tables and you had to use a card it was easy to enforce this

While I don’t doubt he has a pathetic life... I do doubt that he’s a junkie..

I spoke w some other players in the pool and he does this a lot. Apparently he claims he has stuff to do for work. He does sometimes come back.

Ya obviously everyone can leave when they want.

I tend to not hit and run unless I truly am out of time. We will never know if this is some sort of cover so he can just take the chips off the table.

Normally after a player gets stacked it’s the most lucrative time to play with them.

It happened at a single plo game that I had waited an hour to get on... then immediately I get stacked and the top 2 worse player on that particular table leaves making the game reg infested even more,

I would have stayed at my NL table and you probably make a good point I should have just gone back to NLHE as there were probably other better tables.

Thanks for the reply...

Ya I wish it was a private game and I could tell some of these players they’re not welcome